The Official Oasis Thread

Mr. Charlie · 11-17-2013, 02:23 PM

Yeah, Beady Eye ain't much cop. Liam's not a good songwriter.

Gavin B. · 11-17-2013, 09:14 PM

Oasis' limitations as musicians and songwriters became all too apparent. They tried to sound like the Beatles but they simply didn't have the instrumental or vocal chops to come close to the brilliance of the Beatles.

As far Noel Gallagher's song writing skills went, he only wrote 5 or 6 songs that come close in comparison to Lennon/McCartney. And most of those songs are only good because they reminded everybody of the Beatles.

Taxman · 11-17-2013, 11:02 PM

That could be said about everyone who came after The Beatles and sounded like them.

Mr. Charlie · 11-18-2013, 07:42 AM

Yeah, practically every band will come up short, to varying degress, when compared to the Beatles. But I agree with Gavin too. As a band, Oasis really didn't come close to matching the creativity of musicality of the Beatles.

Taxman · 11-18-2013, 07:52 AM

Oh, also I agree with that. Oasis were just an innocent pop band. Good one, but nothing spectacular. That means,I own most of their albums but still.

William_the_Bloody · 11-28-2013, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gavin B.

Oasis' limitations as musicians and songwriters became all too apparent. They tried to sound like the Beatles but they simply didn't have the instrumental or vocal chops to come close to the brilliance of the Beatles.

As far Noel Gallagher's song writing skills went, he only wrote 5 or 6 songs that come close in comparison to Lennon/McCartney. And most of those songs are only good because they reminded everybody of the Beatles.

I'm not a Beatles fan so I may be off the mark here, but for me, Oasis's biggest failing as a band is that they were inspired by the Beatles, which resulted in a lot of mundane crap songs like Champagne Supernova, and boring albums near the end of their career.

Wonderwall aside, Noel Gallagher's best work, Live Forever, Morning Glory, Supersonic, Put Yer Money Where your mouth is ect, all seem to be inspired by something other than the Beatles.

Simply put, they were best when they were rocking hard. and that is why no one gives a **** about Beady Eye

Screen13 · 11-29-2013, 10:19 AM

When it comes to being Beatles inspired, there's also a big compare and contrast to the music industry of their days. It's almost like a rise and fall of Pre-Internet Era British Rock from raw beginnings to the last days fall out.

When The Beatles were around, there was a lot of room to create and smash the barriers within a Pop Music framework. They used their fame in order to get the public and the media getting all eyes on them through their escapades which usually introduced something new to the Pop Framework (I'm shoving the backstage antics, of course, and you know what I mean). For the first few post-spilt years, things carried on like that a bit until the burn out in the Mid 70's, but the success of their many great albums had a great connect the dots game for other bands in the future - while Punk stopped a lot of the Power Pop Retro dream cold, the lack of a strong Modern Rock music (let alone the introduction of MTV in The UK by 1987) ushered in a lot of wanna be Lennons that had the books and the albums to create their faux-Liverpool world, may it rest in Rubber Soul (The Las, Cast, and a lot of their down to earth peers) or Sgt. Pepper. Oasis had the ambition to at least be the most successful of the bunch but at a price.

With Oasis, every well worn style and tradition was already proven to be sold on a mass basis enough for a talented songwriter to put the pieces of the puzzle together while wearing the right clothes, but also having some raw inspiration (the slight Indie Rock influence that guided them to Creation Records for starters) that made them stand out among their peers. The era of the second album's success to the Knebowrth concert was possibly the thing that spoiled Oasis with the endless new interest actually holding their progress back a lot artistically - the mega success in The States where most of their peers could only obtain cult status at best, the relentless Celebrity Tabloid Culture that pushed their antics to the front pages (especially Liam's), the war of words with Blur in The UK (that people STILL talk about), the mega concert and MTV attention that even The Beatles never had, the focus on their excesses which helped lead to the "The sound of a bunch of guys in the studio on Coke" disappointment that is Be Here Now. With so much going on in the hyper Media Activity land of The 90's, you could possibly say with an open mind that considering their influences, they may have developed sooner or at least opened up from the classic Rock of their first two if things weren't as haywire and mega.

In this late time, I feel that we should slow down looking at Oasis' obvious inspiration from the Beatles and hedonistic Rock and Roll lifestyle (Hello, Keith Moon, The Rolling Stones, and also The Faces) and look also slightly at The Bee Gees' 1960's early days - something I feel serves as a small direct influence when one listens to the less rocking moments of Oasis' music and the fact that both the Gallaghers and Gibbs faced a lot in their climb to the top from their upbringings while also under the influence of The Beatles. Try to forget the Disco "Housewife Music" that forms most of the Gibbs' history and think more "I Gotta Get a Message to You" and Odessa on a heavy use of attitude and Cocaine. In my opinion, The Bee Gees' Odessa and first Best Of serve as a very under-looked part of Gallagher's development as a songwriter.

"The lyrics don't mean a thing" - certainly something that can also be directed to most of the Gibbs' Pop Psych era; The acoustic guitar chugging of a number of Odessa moments like "Never Say Never Again" which make me "Wonder(wall)" where Noel got it from...

Both used Beatles songs as the inspiration, but throw out The Gibbs' interest in vocal groups like The Hollies and replace it with Oasis' love of The 60's Rolling Stones, and you have a good idea of the difference. Add in that many were seeing Oasis as The Stones to Blur's Beatles, and the puzzle is almost complete.

The mix - Beatles and The Stones on the inside/60's Bee Gees the hidden influence, hushed through The Bee Gees' more world conquering MOR.

No complaint on The Gibbs - I seriously like Bee Gees 1'st to Odessa. Noel, Liam, and Andy knew the score with them!

Plus, despite having their first success after moving to Australia, The Gibbs were originally from Manchester...

Screen13 · 11-29-2013, 05:00 PM

Update on the Oasis/Early Bee Gees connection. This list by Andy and Liam is linked to the page with Bee Gees First!

The Quietus | Features | Baker's Dozen | Bakers Dozen: Liam Gallagher and Andy Bell's 13 Favourite Albums

galt54 · 12-15-2013, 03:15 AM

Don´t Look Back in Anger and Slide Away are my top favorite Oasis songs. Does anyone else out there agree with me that these two songs are somehow similar to each other in sound? (I guess it is the drawn out vowels which are the common thread in these two songs).

Taxman · 12-22-2013, 04:10 PM

Most of the Oasis songs are somehow similar in sound. Sadly their arrangements we're pretty boring and generic.
I mean, if you record pop music you need all kind of other instruments also than just one acoustic and one distorted electric guitar.

11-17-2013, 09:14 PM	#522 (permalink)
Gavin B. Model Worker Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,248	Oasis' limitations as musicians and songwriters became all too apparent. They tried to sound like the Beatles but they simply didn't have the instrumental or vocal chops to come close to the brilliance of the Beatles. As far Noel Gallagher's song writing skills went, he only wrote 5 or 6 songs that come close in comparison to Lennon/McCartney. And most of those songs are only good because they reminded everybody of the Beatles. __________________ There are two types of music: the first type is the blues and the second type is all the other stuff. Townes Van Zandt

11-29-2013, 10:19 AM	#527 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	When it comes to being Beatles inspired, there's also a big compare and contrast to the music industry of their days. It's almost like a rise and fall of Pre-Internet Era British Rock from raw beginnings to the last days fall out. When The Beatles were around, there was a lot of room to create and smash the barriers within a Pop Music framework. They used their fame in order to get the public and the media getting all eyes on them through their escapades which usually introduced something new to the Pop Framework (I'm shoving the backstage antics, of course, and you know what I mean). For the first few post-spilt years, things carried on like that a bit until the burn out in the Mid 70's, but the success of their many great albums had a great connect the dots game for other bands in the future - while Punk stopped a lot of the Power Pop Retro dream cold, the lack of a strong Modern Rock music (let alone the introduction of MTV in The UK by 1987) ushered in a lot of wanna be Lennons that had the books and the albums to create their faux-Liverpool world, may it rest in Rubber Soul (The Las, Cast, and a lot of their down to earth peers) or Sgt. Pepper. Oasis had the ambition to at least be the most successful of the bunch but at a price. With Oasis, every well worn style and tradition was already proven to be sold on a mass basis enough for a talented songwriter to put the pieces of the puzzle together while wearing the right clothes, but also having some raw inspiration (the slight Indie Rock influence that guided them to Creation Records for starters) that made them stand out among their peers. The era of the second album's success to the Knebowrth concert was possibly the thing that spoiled Oasis with the endless new interest actually holding their progress back a lot artistically - the mega success in The States where most of their peers could only obtain cult status at best, the relentless Celebrity Tabloid Culture that pushed their antics to the front pages (especially Liam's), the war of words with Blur in The UK (that people STILL talk about), the mega concert and MTV attention that even The Beatles never had, the focus on their excesses which helped lead to the "The sound of a bunch of guys in the studio on Coke" disappointment that is Be Here Now. With so much going on in the hyper Media Activity land of The 90's, you could possibly say with an open mind that considering their influences, they may have developed sooner or at least opened up from the classic Rock of their first two if things weren't as haywire and mega. In this late time, I feel that we should slow down looking at Oasis' obvious inspiration from the Beatles and hedonistic Rock and Roll lifestyle (Hello, Keith Moon, The Rolling Stones, and also The Faces) and look also slightly at The Bee Gees' 1960's early days - something I feel serves as a small direct influence when one listens to the less rocking moments of Oasis' music and the fact that both the Gallaghers and Gibbs faced a lot in their climb to the top from their upbringings while also under the influence of The Beatles. Try to forget the Disco "Housewife Music" that forms most of the Gibbs' history and think more "I Gotta Get a Message to You" and Odessa on a heavy use of attitude and Cocaine. In my opinion, The Bee Gees' Odessa and first Best Of serve as a very under-looked part of Gallagher's development as a songwriter. "The lyrics don't mean a thing" - certainly something that can also be directed to most of the Gibbs' Pop Psych era; The acoustic guitar chugging of a number of Odessa moments like "Never Say Never Again" which make me "Wonder(wall)" where Noel got it from... Both used Beatles songs as the inspiration, but throw out The Gibbs' interest in vocal groups like The Hollies and replace it with Oasis' love of The 60's Rolling Stones, and you have a good idea of the difference. Add in that many were seeing Oasis as The Stones to Blur's Beatles, and the puzzle is almost complete. The mix - Beatles and The Stones on the inside/60's Bee Gees the hidden influence, hushed through The Bee Gees' more world conquering MOR. No complaint on The Gibbs - I seriously like Bee Gees 1'st to Odessa. Noel, Liam, and Andy knew the score with them! Plus, despite having their first success after moving to Australia, The Gibbs were originally from Manchester... Last edited by Screen13; 11-29-2013 at 05:11 PM.

11-17-2013, 02:23 PM	#521 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	Yeah, Beady Eye ain't much cop. Liam's not a good songwriter.

11-17-2013, 11:02 PM	#523 (permalink)
Taxman watching the wheels Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Finland Posts: 470	That could be said about everyone who came after The Beatles and sounded like them.

11-18-2013, 07:42 AM	#524 (permalink)
Mr. Charlie Shoo Thoughts Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: These Mountains Posts: 2,308	Yeah, practically every band will come up short, to varying degress, when compared to the Beatles. But I agree with Gavin too. As a band, Oasis really didn't come close to matching the creativity of musicality of the Beatles.

11-18-2013, 07:52 AM	#525 (permalink)
Taxman watching the wheels Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Finland Posts: 470	Oh, also I agree with that. Oasis were just an innocent pop band. Good one, but nothing spectacular. That means,I own most of their albums but still.

11-29-2013, 05:00 PM	#528 (permalink)
Screen13 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,388	Update on the Oasis/Early Bee Gees connection. This list by Andy and Liam is linked to the page with Bee Gees First! The Quietus \| Features \| Baker's Dozen \| Bakers Dozen: Liam Gallagher and Andy Bell's 13 Favourite Albums

12-15-2013, 03:15 AM	#529 (permalink)
galt54 Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: A suburb of Stockholm, Sweden. Posts: 191	Don´t Look Back in Anger and Slide Away are my top favorite Oasis songs. Does anyone else out there agree with me that these two songs are somehow similar to each other in sound? (I guess it is the drawn out vowels which are the common thread in these two songs).

12-22-2013, 04:10 PM	#530 (permalink)
Taxman watching the wheels Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Finland Posts: 470	Most of the Oasis songs are somehow similar in sound. Sadly their arrangements we're pretty boring and generic. I mean, if you record pop music you need all kind of other instruments also than just one acoustic and one distorted electric guitar.