It is by The Verve, my mistake. I get my British rock mixed up sometimes :\ Still a good track though!

it is an obtuse reason to say the least. but many really automatically dislike anything mainstream which is odd for me because i think we shouldn't really give a damn about anything else but the music right? if it's good, then it deserves to be recognized.

oh but well... yeah, to each his own.

you don't like Dig Out Your Soul?

Yeah, I thought it was garbage.

Dig Out Your Soul was only slightly better than SOTSOG and Heathen Chemistry, mostly for Shock Of The Lightning and I'm Outta Time.

I'm inclined to agree, especially when you consider how heavily influenced many of their tracks are by The Beatles. Admittedly, I'm not too familiar with their discography (I'm just another American taken in by Wonderwall), but songs like Let There Be Love are just so blatantly Beatles-influenced it's hard to like The Beatles and dislike Oasis, in my opinion.

I like most of the early stuff. They're a good band to learn guitar on 'cos there music's really simple. Didn't like them much at the time 'cos Liam came accross as a dickhead with a bad attitude, and I prefered Blur 'cos they're better musicians and a bit more original.

Well according to NME, Noel Gallagher's new solo album is gonna be out October 17. Do you guys think it will be any good?

Oasis sucks, so I can't see his solo effort being any better. Not one original bone in any of the Gallagher boys.

DM and MG were great albums.

just got Heathen Chemistry

much better than the others, only for the fact that it's not totally Noel-dominated

Heathern Chemistry is my least favourite Oasis album by far. I think Oasis would have become a poorer and poorer band over time whether Noel had continued to write all the songs or not, but Oasis definitely got poorer when the rest of the band started to contribute.

I'm not even saying that what the rest of the band contributed was always bad, or that Noel was writing better material than they were. I just think the best Oasis albums were the ones Noel wrote all the tracks for.

Yeah I hated Heathen. Surprised you like it Il. What is you guys opinions on Dont Believe The Truth and Dig Out Your SouL?

Heathen's different and more properly fits in with a clasic rock milieu

that's why I like it, I suppose

Not trying to hate, or cause conflict, but Oasis fans, I'm baffled, what do you actually like about them?

because of the same 3-chords with vague Beatles references?

nah, you had to be there when they made it big, else you wouldn't have understood

I thought Don't Believe the Truth was a load of crap. Except for The Importance of Being Idle, which is possibly their best song.

And I actually liked Dig Out Your Soul well enough. More than Definitely Maybe, which I thought massively overrated.

^^I love Don't Believe the Truth

Yeah, Heathen Chemistry is bad.

I am no supporter of Pitchfork... but I think even they did a good review.

Q: So I'm told you have a rather controversial theory about art, is that true?

A: [laughing] Yes, and it's gotten me in quite a bit of trouble.

Q: Could you explain it for us?

A: Well, first of all, it's not the most original of ideas. I actually stole it from Mrs. Hennesey, my fourth grade art teacher. She always used to say that there's no such thing as bad art, which, for many years, I just wrote off as a meaningless self-esteem booster. But the more I've thought about it, the more it makes sense. So nowadays I say All Art is Good Art.

Q: All art is good art... intriguing.

A: Yeah, it seems like a bold statement, but it's really not that crazy. Any endeavor that strives to be art necessarily involves a certain amount of effort and thought, and thus has meaning regardless of skill level, originality, or audience appreciation. A teenager's doodles in social studies class-- that's fine art. The guy at the bar doing a herky-jerky dance to Billy Joel on the jukebox-- that's modern dance, whether he knows it or not.

Q: So by extension, criticism is irrelevant?

A: That's right. Who is anybody to judge the relative worth of an artistic product? And it's ironic, because by writing a criticism, the critic him- or herself is also making art! [laughing] But criticism is hopelessly subjective, one person's opinion can't possibly take into account how every single person would perceive a given piece. To use a musical example, take the band Journey. Journey is reviled by music critics everywhere, but my brother and I love driving down the coast singing along to "Any Way You Want It" at the top of our lungs. It's all relative.

Q: Well, if I may give you another musical example, what would you say about a band like Oasis?

A: That's another band that critics turn their nose up to, but they have some great songs. "Wonderwall," "Champagne Supernova," "Supersonic;" good stuff, but universally panned for being too derivative. There are a lot of people out there who don't care how much Oasis cops from the Beatles though, they just want to hear a good song they can sing along to. Again, relativity.

Q: Have you heard Oasis' new album?

A: [coughing] Excuse me, sorry... they have a new album?

Q: Yes, Heathen Chemistry. It came out last week.

A: Didn't they break up or something? I thought I heard on VH1 or somewhere that the brothers weren't speaking to each other.

Q: No, the Gallaghers are still together. They replaced the rest of the band, but they still lead, in their quarrelsome way.

A: Well, since I haven't heard the album, I can't really intelligently comment on it.

Q: Oh, but I have a copy right here. I'll put it on.

A: Oh, gee... okay.

Q: [music starts] While we're listening, I'll quote some lyrics-- I'd like to hear how they fit in with your theory. The lead single, "The Hindu Times," revolves around one of Oasis' favorite topics with the chorus, "I get so high I just can't feel it." Songs like "Little by Little" show that the brothers are growing up, though, expressing thoughts like, "We the people fight for our existence/ We don't claim to be perfect but we're free," and bemoaning that "my God woke up on the wrong side of His bed." But the most frequently touched upon topic is that of the woman who done them wrong, such as the harpy in "Force of Nature" who is castigated for "smoking all my stash/ And burning all my cash."

A: No, wait a second, you had to have made that last one up.

Q: Just listen ["Force of Nature" plays in background]

A: My God. It's the chorus, even!

Q: So, is it art?

A: Well, the... um... lyrics, as clunky as they are, still reflect a certain point of view.

Q: That of the hedonistic rock star, head full of cocaine, bemoaning his lifestyle of promiscuous sex and striving for an easy quasi-spirituality?

A: Yeah, sure. It's still a point of view... I guess. But the lyrics are just one aspect of any musical piece.

Q: You're exactly right. And I think Heathen Chemistry's instrumental, "A Quick Peep," is the purest example of Oasis' musicality. Here, let me play it for you.

A: See, now you're putting me on. I've heard that before, it's the Allman Brothers or Clapton or somebody.

Q: Nope, still Oasis.

A: Hmmm. Well, at least they're not stealing tricks from the Beatles any more, right? [laughing]

Q: No, they still are. [plays "Born on a Different Cloud"]

A: Wow. Well, as I said before, originality isn't necessarily a prerequisite for artistic achievement. Many great artists have been deeply influenced by their forebears.

Q: So if, say, somebody Xeroxed the entirety of Crime and Punishment, changed the title to Russian Psycho, and released it to the public, that would be okay?

A: Um... well, that's an extreme example.

Q: Oh. Well, it gets better. Because Heathen Chemistry also takes the time to cop riffs and progressions from previous Oasis hits: "Stop Crying Your Heart Out" has the same string syrup as "Wonderwall," "Hung in a Bad Place" recycles the noise and whine of pretty much every Definitely Maybe track, and so on. So it's like our hypothetical artist repackaged the text of Russian Psycho as Latvian Maniac and passed it off as his newest work. Still art?

A: Leave me alone.

I saw when they made it big, and I still don't understand.

Leave me alone

:D

never.

I was around when they made it big and what a terrible time it was for music as well.

Unknown... check your wall, I know you don't... answer my question.

They were definitely a detriment to 90's music.

Oasis were far from original. They kept it simple and wore their influences (which werent exactly the most varied or eclectic) on their sleeve. They didn't really do anything that hadn't been done before. I can see why some people wouldn't like them at all.

For me I was 10/11 years old and not a music fan. I relied on the radio, as I didn't have the internet and didn't have enough of an interest to read the press or anything, and nothing grabbed my attention. I wasn't hearing anything that excited or interested me one bit.

Oasis were a shot in the arm to what I perceived to be a very bland British music scene. I know there was plenty of good stuff kickin' around, but I didn't then. And most of it wasn't anywhere near the phenomental commercial success that Oasis became. For a kid my age, Oasis opened the door to guitar bands and music in general and kick-started what would become a passion.

Definitely Maybe wasn't original, but it was energetic, it was cocky, it was anthemic, and it was hopeful. It was an album that brought colour to what was previously black and white, and not of interest to me.

When I grew up a bit and got the chance to go and see them, Oasis then became the ultimate lads band. Great live shows, and the perfect band to go to see with the lads and drink alot of beer. They were a great band to put on in the pub, and became a bit of a party band through my mid to late teens.

Now I can see the weaknesses, understand the criticisms, and see the holes in the discography. I can also appreciate the great moments, the raw positivity of Definitely Maybe, written by a bunch of young 20 something commoners with limited musicianmanship skills, no prospects, nothing on the horizon, unemployed, and feeling let down by modern society in this country and the lack of opportunities. A state of mind I have been able to relate to over the last 2 or 3 years, and with good reason. Why wouldn't it be positive and full of hope when music became their way out, an escape route, sent them around the world, put a little cash in their pocket, and allowed them to indulge in everything a million rock bands have indulged in before them?

Oasis were the most recognisable, commercially successful British "Britpop" band of their time. I'm not claiming they were the first but they were the poster boys. If you watched the TV, turned on the radio, or picked up a paper you were guaranteed to subjected to Oasis. They were everything alot of impressionable kids with nothing else to fall in love with had been waiting for and became obsessed with and so I do think that being there at the time and being the right age at the time has a lot to do with their success and understanding their success.

I don't think the rest of their discography is awful, it has it's good moments, but theres alot of poor stuff and it was never the same. Noel Gallagher himself has said many times that he can't write another Definitely Maybe because he isn't 21, he isn't unemployed, he isn't poor, he isn't partying every night, and nobody would believe it. They benefited from circumstance a great deal.

But anyway, thats why I love Oasis. If Oasis had happened 15 years later then who knows, it may be different.

I've never been too crazy about Oasis, as I've always preferred Blur out of the 90's Britpop bands. But to give credit where it's due What's the Story... is quite a nice album. In all honesty though I don't think Oasis where ever perticularly special.

they seemed to have fit in with the general atmosphere whilst I was in Cardiff, so they were largely a part of my musical history

if i had stayed in Kuala Lumpur for my law degree, i would probably have ignored them cos i was more in love with Suede

So whats you guys fav Oasis song?

^^Lyla

Just to give Oasis a little love. ."D'ya Know What I Mean" is one of my all-time favorite singles. I remember when it was first released, had a really (Heavy) revolutionary vibe to it. I still like it just as much today as I did back then.

Don't Look Back in Anger for me.

I love Oasis. More sentimental than anything else, but they are a good band.

Favourite song... Rock 'N' Roll Star!

My favourite Oasis track is Go Let It Out, SOTSOG is seriously underrated.

mine are

Lyla
Supersonic
acquiesce

Although it's definitely not my favourite song by the band, I do want to give a shout out to All Around The World. Absurdly bloated, yeah, but the songwriting is good enough, in my opinion, to carry itself.

Apart from Bring It On Down this has to be their finest moment:

I could happily listen their first and last two releases. There are a few gems on most of their albums though.

"The Masterplan" is brilliant

yeah, which to me puts Oasis along the lines of The Smashing Pumpkins... a band who will release an album of just alright songs, and save their best moments for b-sides.

Why is that, I do not know.