The Beach Boys (pop, albums, quote, songs)

ProggyMan · 09-12-2007, 07:37 PM

I'm not tripping over my own feet at all, I think Pet Sounds is highly influential and important, but I just don't think it's very good. Hence it's great but I think it's bad. Hey, most production sounds dated from that period, it's certainly not the biggest fault with the album. And by sounds the same with repeated listens, I mean if I listen to it a few times in a row all the songs melodies sound the same. The vocals aren't technically amazing, and I find the falsetto harmonies annoying.

sleepy jack · 09-12-2007, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I'm not tripping over my own feet at all, I think Pet Sounds is highly influential and important, but I just don't think it's very good. Hence it's great but I think it's bad. Hey, most production sounds dated from that period, it's certainly not the biggest fault with the album. And by sounds the same with repeated listens, I mean if I listen to it a few times in a row all the songs melodies sound the same. The vocals aren't technically amazing, and I find the falsetto harmonies annoying.

Yeah you are tripping over your own feet. Now you're going "well I guess most stuff from then sounds dated because of the production" when earlier you were bitching about how terrible and dated the production was. Why didn't it occur to you then that they worked with what they had? and just because the melodies begin to sound the same to you doesn't mean much. It doesn't change the fact its wonderfully arranged and influential at all. Basically all your argument amounts to is you don't like the Beach Boys, which would be acceptable. Calling Pet Sounds crap and saying Nirvana pisses over it isn't acceptable.

ProggyMan · 09-12-2007, 07:50 PM

I never, never siad the production was terrible. You're just putting words into my mouth now. I don't like the Beach Boys and I tihnk they're not very good.
Basically your arguement is: OMGZ the Beach Boys have beautiful melodies that all sound the same!!!

sleepy jack · 09-12-2007, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

I never, never siad the production was terrible. You're just putting words into my mouth now. I don't like the Beach Boys and I tihnk they're not very good.
Basically your arguement is: OMGZ the Beach Boys have beautiful melodies that all sound the same!!!

Oh right sorry, you just kept bitching about how dated it was and no my argument is this, well at least my main argument.

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

What are you talking about? Lets first get onto the subject of who were talking about, Nirvana. The bands who influence rock music could've done without, we have them to partly thank for all the Nickelbacks and post-grunge crap of the world. Nirvana weren't even the first grunge band, they weren't even the first to do it well. Their was nothing special about their sound. They were all average musicians and Kurt Cobain was not a good lyricist or singer. People can fool themselves into thinking he was some genius but he really wasn't. They can fool themselves into thinking Nevermind was the greatest album of the 90s but it wasn't. In the words of Wayne Coyne "If you think you're going to hear an utterly original, powerful and freaky record when you put on Nevermind, as a young kid might, Christ you're going to be disappointed. You're going to think, "Who is this band that sounds just like Nickelback? What are these drug addicts going on about?""

Saying its better than the Beach Boys? Who are widely considered one of the most influential pop bands ever? Who's influence stretches from Panda Bear to Kevin Barnes to Elliott Smith to Billy Corgan to Elton John? Pet Sounds influence alone makes it better than anything Nirvana released. They did pop better than Nirvana ever did, they did something timeless and have you looked at the musicians who hold it in such high esteem?

"His music (Brian Wilson's) definitely affected mine — the harmonies. Of course I never played in a band that could sing like that."
- Neil Young

"I've always been into harmonies, so I was inspired by that part of what they (the Beach Boys) were doing. It definetely influenced a generation of kids."
- Stevie Wonder

"I think I would put him up there with any composer — especially Pet Sounds. I don't think there is anything better that that, necessarily. I don't think you'd be out of line comparing him to Beethovan — to any composer. The word genius is used a lot with Brian. I don't know if he's a genius or not, but I know that music is probably as good as any music you can make."
- Tom Petty

"If there is one person that I have to select as a living genius of pop music, I would choose Brian Wilson. Without Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper wouldn't have happened... Pepper was an attempt to equal Pet Sounds."
- George Martin

"It was Pet Sounds that blew me out of the water. I love the album so much. ... I figure no one is educated musically 'til they've heard that album ... I love the orchestra, the arrangements ... it may be going overboard to say it's the classic of the century ... but to me, it certainly is a total, classic record that is unbeatable in many ways ... I've often played Pet Sounds and cried. ... "God Only Knows" is a big favorite of mine ... very emotional, always a bit of a choker for me, that one. On "You Still Believe In Me", I love that melody — that kills me ... that's my favorite, I think ... it's so beautiful right at the end ... comes surging back in these multi-colored harmonies ... sends shivers up my spine."
- Paul McCartney

"Pet Sounds is a landmark album. For me to say that I was enthralled would be an understatement. I had never heard such magical sounds, so amazingly recorded. It undoubtedly changed the way that I, and countless others, approached recording. It is a timeless and amazing recording of incredible genius and beauty."
- Elton John

"Pet Sounds became an instant classic when it first appeared. Listening to it today, it is, perhaps, easier to see why it was one of the defining moments of its time, along with the music of the Beatles, Pink Floyd and the Greatful Dead ... its willingness to abandon formula in favor of structural innovation, the introduction of classical elements in the arrangements, production concepts in terms of overall 'sound' which were novel at the time, all these elements give Pet Sounds a freshness that, thirty years later, is immediately there for the listener."
- Phillip Glass

"The first time I heard Pet Sounds, I have to admit that I did a little bit of knee-jerk in the same way probably the record company and some other people did because it wasn't as accessible as Brian's songwriting approach had been up to that time. I'm not sure I fully appreciated that until years later, I started making records myself."
- Lindsey Buckingham

"Jesus, that ear. He should donate it to The Smithsonian."
- Bob Dylan (On Brian Wilson)

"He was the most highly regarded pop musician in America, hands down. Everybody by that time had figured out who was writing and arranging it all. "In My Room" was the defining point for me. When I heard it, I thought "I give up — I can't do that — I'll never be able to do that.""
- David Crosby

"Pet Sounds is an unbelievable record. It's like classical music. Wonderful compositions, beautiful singing. I think the compositions stand up to any kind of interpretation. I've heard "Put Your Head On My Shoulder" played on the cello and it sounds like a piece music that's been with us for hundreds and hundreds of years. It sounds like it's always been there. And I think maybe in a hundred years' time people will be playing their songs on the piano trying to work out where they came from."
- Elvis Costello

"I consider Pet Sounds to be one of the greatest pop LPs to ever be released. It encompasses everthing that's ever knocked me out and rolled it all into one. Brian Wilson is, without a doubt, a pop genius."
- Eric Clapton

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Originally Posted by Crowquill

And of all bands to praise over them, you praise Nirvana? What is Nirvana but a dated cliche grunge band? Everything about them screams 90s, and once again Kurt Cobain is a terrible lyricist who isn't a good singer. All untruth aside in your argument to hail Nirvana over the Beach Boys when the same argument could be applied to Nirvana is ridiculous and hypocritical.

Pet Sounds* is a great album, the melodies are beautiful and its one of the most influential albums ever. Vocal annoyances is completely a preference thing, I love his voice and if you're going to bitch about vocals you can at least point out Love, who does a good deal of the singing too. The vocal melodies were complex and innovative and have been repeated in pop ever since and bitching about the recording? Brian Wilson is an amazing producer and the recording techniques he used here were genius. Pet Sounds altered the face of music, Nirvana kick-started a trend.

You're really not arguing your point, your recycling the same crap and not backing up your original statement which was "Pet Sounds is worse than anything by Nirvana." which I have proven wrong several times already. So please if you're going to reply don't just go "uh, whats something about it I can bitch about? oh! the vocals yeah those suck and uh the production AWFUL and yeah blah blah" because the stuff you're saying isn't just ignorant, its flat out wrong.

Mine was thought out, yours was idiotic. You havn't even replied to half the points I make you just rehash the same post and hope i'll tire of arguing so you can 'win'. But luckily for you, i'm patient and on a Beach Boys trip.

ProggyMan · 09-12-2007, 08:01 PM

Let's see:
Their Melodies are beautiful: And all sound the same.
Their Influential: Never said they weren't.
Musicians Comments: I really don't care.
Vocals: They aren't technically spectacular and I think they're incredibly annoying.
"You just don't like the Beach Boys": Well, yeah, I don't like and think they suck. You like them and they're amazing. Are you somehow judging it more objectively than me?

sleepy jack · 09-12-2007, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Let's see:
Their Melodies are beautiful: And all sound the same.
Their Influential: Never said they weren't.
Musicians Comments: I really don't care.
Vocals: They aren't technically spectacular and I think they're incredibly annoying.
"You just don't like the Beach Boys": Well, yeah, I don't like and think they suck. You like them and they're amazing. Are you somehow judging it more objectively than me?

I've backed up my argument and put thought into it, you havn't.

ProggyMan · 09-12-2007, 08:08 PM

Yes I have. All you've done is quote a bunch of famous musicians and said how much you love them. I fail to see how your arguement is any more valid than mine. Seeing as this thread is supposed to be positive, I absolutely love God Only Knows and Sloop John B.

sleepy jack · 09-12-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

Yes I have. All you've done is quote a bunch of famous musicians and said how much you love them. I fail to see how your arguement is any more valid than mine. Seeing as this thread is supposed to be positive, I absolutely love God Only Knows and Sloop John B.

No you havn't, you've rehashed the same post and over and over. While I explained each thing, talked about its influence, its importance and yes, posted quotes by musicians who also love it. All you've done is shout opinion when you start losing and act like a little bitch because you can't take the fact that "Pet Sounds is worse than anything by Nirvana." isn't just wrong, its a stupid thing to say.

ProggyMan · 09-12-2007, 08:17 PM

"Losing"
Interesting. You accuse me of shouting "opinion" when I start "losing", yet you resort to personal insults. Odd. Once again, I never said Pet Sounds wasn't important or influential, I just said I though it wasn't very good. Your opinion on how good it is hasn't been backed up any more than mine.

sleepy jack · 09-12-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan

"Losing"
Interesting. You accuse me of shouting "opinion" when I start "losing", yet you resort to personal insults. Odd. Once again, I never said Pet Sounds wasn't important or influential, I just said I though it wasn't very good. Your opinion on how good it is hasn't been backed up any more than mine.

Actually it has, I explained why it was good. It was innovative and one of the most important pop albums ever, it is good. You havn't done that, you've just made ridiculous statements and havn't backed up your original statement at all. Unless you consider going "WELL OUR ARGUMENTS ARE EQUALLY BACKED!11" (which they're not) and "ITS JUST AN OPINION!11" (which it being innovative and how it was arranged being unique is not an opinion) 'backing it up' then okay you backed it up. And yes, you are acting like a little bitch it needs to be said. Call it insulting, I call it pointing out the obvious.

09-12-2007, 07:37 PM	#71 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	I'm not tripping over my own feet at all, I think Pet Sounds is highly influential and important, but I just don't think it's very good. Hence it's great but I think it's bad. Hey, most production sounds dated from that period, it's certainly not the biggest fault with the album. And by sounds the same with repeated listens, I mean if I listen to it a few times in a row all the songs melodies sound the same. The vocals aren't technically amazing, and I find the falsetto harmonies annoying.

09-12-2007, 07:50 PM	#73 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	I never, never siad the production was terrible. You're just putting words into my mouth now. I don't like the Beach Boys and I tihnk they're not very good. Basically your arguement is: OMGZ the Beach Boys have beautiful melodies that all sound the same!!!

09-12-2007, 08:01 PM	#75 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Let's see: Their Melodies are beautiful: And all sound the same. Their Influential: Never said they weren't. Musicians Comments: I really don't care. Vocals: They aren't technically spectacular and I think they're incredibly annoying. "You just don't like the Beach Boys": Well, yeah, I don't like and think they suck. You like them and they're amazing. Are you somehow judging it more objectively than me?

09-12-2007, 08:08 PM	#77 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	Yes I have. All you've done is quote a bunch of famous musicians and said how much you love them. I fail to see how your arguement is any more valid than mine. Seeing as this thread is supposed to be positive, I absolutely love God Only Knows and Sloop John B.

09-12-2007, 08:17 PM	#79 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	"Losing" Interesting. You accuse me of shouting "opinion" when I start "losing", yet you resort to personal insults. Odd. Once again, I never said Pet Sounds wasn't important or influential, I just said I though it wasn't very good. Your opinion on how good it is hasn't been backed up any more than mine.