Eminem - Revival

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Clearly you are, you just need to pull out a dictionary. The internet, man, I used it just to make sure I'm not full of ****. Stretching definitions to fit your rhetoric LOL

So do you not agree that finding a similar premise to debate with agreed upon terminology is a starting point for an "objective" discussion about music (which makes as much sense as a subjective discussion about science)? It would at least make some parties look a bit less

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Edit" LOL "You're a big idiot saying stupid **** who just automatically dismisses my points with no real points you moron! Maybe if you stopped hanging out with juggalos you'd say something worth a ****!"

And I bet he fails to see the irony of it. While redefining words.

Honestly only taking up the accusatory reigns because you brought them into the game first with the whole "oh you just hate on popularity because you don't agree with it" argument.

You are being a genuine idiot right now and you can occasionally be a smart guy. You mentioned hanging out with juggalos. I assumed that it was the juggalos. If not, idk get more sleep or something?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

So do you not agree that finding a similar premise to debate with agreed upon terminology is a starting point for an "objective" discussion about music (which makes as much sense as a subjective discussion about science)? It would at least make some parties look a bit less

We didn't agree on that terminology as you presented it, the dictionary didn't agree with the terminology as you presented it, and objectively the terminology follows the dictionary definition. Going by that, popularity is the consensus of how good the music is. Music that has a consensus of being **** isn't popular even though it seems to be. It's like, you just wanted to change the definition of consensus just so you wouldn't be wrong.

And if you think talking objectively about music is senseless than why did you continue the objectivity of the discussion with what you said?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Music that has a consensus of being **** isn't popular even though it seems to be.

Twenty mile long laundry list of counterexamples.

GTFO with that garbage logic.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Honestly only taking up the accusatory reigns because you brought them into the game first with the whole "oh you just hate on popularity because you don't agree with it" argument.

You are being a genuine idiot right now and you can occasionally be a smart guy. You mentioned hanging out with juggalos. I assumed that it was the juggalos. If not, idk get more sleep or something?

Well I know that YOU don't personally think that music is terrible just for being popular, I'm wrong for implying that, but I still take issue with the statement you made. You made a comment to invalidate certain people's opinions because you think they don't live up to your standards of music appreciation, just like you are trying to invalidate the intelligence of juggalos now. It's you continuing the attempt Maajo made at making music objective.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Twenty mile long laundry list of counterexamples.

GTFO with that garbage logic.

You've told me it's wrong but never told me how it's wrong. I can tell you how it's right.

Popular definitions.

1 : of or relating to the general public
2 : suitable to the majority: such as
a : adapted to or indicative of the understanding and taste of the majority a popular history of the war
b : suited to the means of the majority : inexpensive sold at popular prices
3 : frequently encountered or widely accepted a popular theory
4 : commonly liked or approved a very popular girl

Consensus defintions.

1 a : general agreement : unanimity
the consensus of their opinion, based on reports … from the border —John Hersey
b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned the consensus was to go ahead
2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief

Now explain how something that is Popular is not something with the general agreement of being good.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Well I know that YOU don't personally think that music is terrible just for being popular, I'm wrong for implying that, but I still take issue with the statement you made. You made a comment to invalidate certain people's opinions because you think they don't live up to your standards of music appreciation, just like you are trying to invalidate the intelligence of juggalos now. It's you continuing the attempt Maajo made at making music objective.

If those people's opinions are valid, then they can demonstrate that in other ways than by pointing to its popularity.

Also I'm not trying to "invalidate" juggalos, I just don't like them.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

suitable to the majority


unanimity

These are basically the definitions that I've been using and they're two extremely different things. I can elaborate if you need me to.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

If those people's opinions are valid, then they can demonstrate that in other ways than by pointing to its popularity.

Also I'm not trying to "invalidate" juggalos, I just don't like them.

I can agree with that, that's why I said it's not the sole reason for validation, but it's more important than you seem to give it credit for, and you did try to invalidate it by saying that something popular can have fans that don't live up to your standard of music appreciation.

I can understand that, juggalos, the culture as a whole, is stupid and ****ing annoying, but I never treat individuals as the collective on something superficial. I mean, I crack jokes all the time, but I can say that there are juggalos that aren't stupid or annoying or what ever else you dislike about them.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I can agree with that, that's why I said it's not the sole reason for validation, but it's more important than you seem to give it credit for, and you did try to invalidate it by saying that something popular can have fans that don't live up to your standard of music appreciation.

Bolded: It's more of a reason for me to not give much credit to popularity. "Invalidate" is an OTT characterization of my very right point that's better than yours. And I'm better than most people. Most people are dumb as ****. i think we can agree on that.

I can understand that, juggalos, the culture as a whole, is stupid and ****ing annoying, but I never treat individuals as the collective on something superficial. I mean, I crack jokes all the time, but I can say that there are juggalos that aren't stupid or annoying or what ever else you dislike about them.

Nah **** em