Eminem - Revival

[Maajo]

Originally Posted by Frownland

I definitely consider MMM a classic, but not because it's widely considered to be such. An album like that in 1975 is just so insanely unheard of and had a massive effect on the avant-garde scene. It might be a troll album, but I don't think that that's the only motivation behind it. Lou Reed always had a disposition toward the experimental, so it's not very unlikely that he used his jadedness as a jumping off point for something that he really wanted to do.

I like MMM too, and I don't think anybody listens to music just because it's popular. Maybe when you're in high school and you're trying to impress your friends or get laid, but those people always hate on music for the same reason. Regardless of Reed's motivation, I like abstract.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Maajo

I like MMM too, and I don't think anybody listens to music just because it's popular. Maybe when you're in high school and you're trying to impress your friends or get laid, but those people always hate on music for the same reason. Regardless of Reed's motivation, I like abstract.

And that's dumb too. Best to just leave popularity as trivia/good news for your favourite artists and actually talk about what the music itself has to offer when you're trying to make a case for whether it's bad or good.

[OccultHawk]

Too long
Too many guests
Too poppy

No

I like Walk on Water, though

Brevity is really what this record needs

It should be 30-35 minutes long

This and Beck’s latest are going in the same bin

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

hey just stopping by to say no this is still false

Because it contradicts your own taste, I know. Point made. Thank you. I don't even know why proving this point was so important, but it was and you just proved it for me. I feel great comfort in that.

Objectively speaking bad taste is decided by the masses despite what you people want to think. So you guys not liking popular **** is bad taste. I don't see why yall keep jumping through hoops and making excuses to feel validated for not fitting in. I thought that was your whole point is not fitting in, I thought you guys were trying to have what is massively known as bad taste to stick it to the man or something stupid. Personally, I think most of us aren't too concerned with wither or not our taste is bad so we're not going out of our ways to invalidate other's taste for contradicting our own. But also drugs. I'm bored of this now.

[Akai]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

This and Beck’s latest are going in the same bin

Two disappointments for me also.

[OccultHawk]

I consider myself the ultimate and final judge on the quality of music. There’s no other more worthwhile measure than my taste. Not just for myself but for everyone. Why other people even bother forming their own opinions about music is beyond me. Just let me show you the way.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Because it contradicts your own taste, I know.

That's a pretty dumb way to look at it. The only reason we're having this convo in the first place is because someone banked on popularity when someone else contradicted their taste. That's the only time I've seen it invoked, is when it's used as an empty "well bunches of people can't be wrong!"

It's a ****ty validation of an artist's worth even in context of other qualities because it is an unreliable model. The only reason you would think otherwise is because popularity doesn't contradict your taste.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by elphenor

laughing so hard at this

yeah it’s pretty funny

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

That's a pretty dumb way to look at it. The only reason we're having this convo in the first place is because someone banked on popularity when someone else contradicted their taste. That's the only time I've seen it invoked, is when it's used as an empty "well bunches of people can't be wrong!"

It's a ****ty validation of an artist's worth even in context of other qualities because it is an unreliable model. The only reason you would think otherwise is because popularity doesn't contradict your taste.

Yeah, but he brought up a good point, Eminem can't be that bad if he's consistently retained popularity, you guys just don't want to accept it because it contradicts your taste.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, but he brought up a good point, Eminem can't be that bad if he's consistently retained popularity.

Wrong. Cut the faith in modern man.