Eminem - Revival

[Maajo]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Popularity is too inconsistent to use as the main point of validation, but not as meaningless as you try to make it out to be. There are other factors that add into popularity like how consistently popular the artist was. The popularity of Lil Uzi Vert hasn't stood the test of time the same way a Kanye has so it could be completely reactionary. Or you could say that Lil Wayne's newest music is of quality because he's popular when he's really riding off the popularity of his past and the general consensus is that he was of quality and his newer stuff is trash. My Kanye example was perfect. You aren't going to accept the idea that Kanye is a good lyricist so I can bring up the general consensus of his lyrics to validate it. And there are artists that create the illusion of popularity when the consensus is that they are trash. So, as I've said this whole time, popularity is not the deciding factor on the quality of music, but it is more important of a piece of evidence than you want to credit it for because it contradicts your taste.

You nailed it. Aggregates of reviews, while imperfect, are neutral and show general consensus. Some people think Metal Machine Music is a classic while others think it's just loud, obnoxious, and a joke at the expense of Lou Reed's record label (it was). I like the new Eminem album, but it seems like it's going to be critically panned. I'm fine with that.

[Frownland]

Yo Lucem, this is what I was talking about when I said that I approach music differently from the casual music fan.

Originally Posted by Maajo

Some people think Metal Machine Music is a classic while others think it's just loud, obnoxious, and a joke at the expense of Lou Reed's record label (it was).

[Maajo]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Yo Lucem, this is what I was talking about when I said that I approach music differently from the casual music fan.

The thing is that the consensus has become that it's a classic. If you ever look at any time it's brought up on social media, about 4/5 comments are positive, and I think a lot of the reviews are like that too.

Edit: so most reviews think it's awful. This is actually the only album where one of the reviewers rated it as "woof" that I've ever seen. Pitchfork gave it an 8.7 though. I've seen a lot of support for it though as of late.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Maajo

The thing is that the consensus has become that it's a classic. If you ever look at any time it's brought up on social media, about 4/5 comments are positive, and I think a lot of the reviews are like that too.

I definitely consider MMM a classic, but not because it's widely considered to be such. An album like that in 1975 is just so insanely unheard of and had a massive effect on the avant-garde scene. It might be a troll album, but I don't think that that's the only motivation behind it. Lou Reed always had a disposition toward the experimental, so it's not very unlikely that he used his jadedness as a jumping off point for something that he really wanted to do.

Unless you're talking about Eminem's new album? If so, let me know and I'll explain how hype trains work.

[Maajo]

Originally Posted by Frownland

I definitely consider MMM a classic, but not because it's widely considered to be such. An album like that in 1975 is just so insanely unheard of and had a massive effect on the avant-garde scene. It might be a troll album, but I don't think that that's the only motivation behind it. Lou Reed always had a disposition toward the experimental, so it's not very unlikely that he used his jadedness as a jumping off point for something that he really wanted to do.

I like MMM too, and I don't think anybody listens to music just because it's popular. Maybe when you're in high school and you're trying to impress your friends or get laid, but those people always hate on music for the same reason. Regardless of Reed's motivation, I like abstract.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Maajo

I like MMM too, and I don't think anybody listens to music just because it's popular. Maybe when you're in high school and you're trying to impress your friends or get laid, but those people always hate on music for the same reason. Regardless of Reed's motivation, I like abstract.

And that's dumb too. Best to just leave popularity as trivia/good news for your favourite artists and actually talk about what the music itself has to offer when you're trying to make a case for whether it's bad or good.

[OccultHawk]

Too long
Too many guests
Too poppy

No

I like Walk on Water, though

Brevity is really what this record needs

It should be 30-35 minutes long

This and Beck’s latest are going in the same bin

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by elphenor

hey just stopping by to say no this is still false

Because it contradicts your own taste, I know. Point made. Thank you. I don't even know why proving this point was so important, but it was and you just proved it for me. I feel great comfort in that.

Objectively speaking bad taste is decided by the masses despite what you people want to think. So you guys not liking popular **** is bad taste. I don't see why yall keep jumping through hoops and making excuses to feel validated for not fitting in. I thought that was your whole point is not fitting in, I thought you guys were trying to have what is massively known as bad taste to stick it to the man or something stupid. Personally, I think most of us aren't too concerned with wither or not our taste is bad so we're not going out of our ways to invalidate other's taste for contradicting our own. But also drugs. I'm bored of this now.

[Akai]

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

This and Beck’s latest are going in the same bin

Two disappointments for me also.

[OccultHawk]

I consider myself the ultimate and final judge on the quality of music. There’s no other more worthwhile measure than my taste. Not just for myself but for everyone. Why other people even bother forming their own opinions about music is beyond me. Just let me show you the way.