Eminem - Revival

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Well I know that YOU don't personally think that music is terrible just for being popular, I'm wrong for implying that, but I still take issue with the statement you made. You made a comment to invalidate certain people's opinions because you think they don't live up to your standards of music appreciation, just like you are trying to invalidate the intelligence of juggalos now. It's you continuing the attempt Maajo made at making music objective.

If those people's opinions are valid, then they can demonstrate that in other ways than by pointing to its popularity.

Also I'm not trying to "invalidate" juggalos, I just don't like them.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

suitable to the majority


unanimity

These are basically the definitions that I've been using and they're two extremely different things. I can elaborate if you need me to.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

If those people's opinions are valid, then they can demonstrate that in other ways than by pointing to its popularity.

Also I'm not trying to "invalidate" juggalos, I just don't like them.

I can agree with that, that's why I said it's not the sole reason for validation, but it's more important than you seem to give it credit for, and you did try to invalidate it by saying that something popular can have fans that don't live up to your standard of music appreciation.

I can understand that, juggalos, the culture as a whole, is stupid and ****ing annoying, but I never treat individuals as the collective on something superficial. I mean, I crack jokes all the time, but I can say that there are juggalos that aren't stupid or annoying or what ever else you dislike about them.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I can agree with that, that's why I said it's not the sole reason for validation, but it's more important than you seem to give it credit for, and you did try to invalidate it by saying that something popular can have fans that don't live up to your standard of music appreciation.

Bolded: It's more of a reason for me to not give much credit to popularity. "Invalidate" is an OTT characterization of my very right point that's better than yours. And I'm better than most people. Most people are dumb as ****. i think we can agree on that.

I can understand that, juggalos, the culture as a whole, is stupid and ****ing annoying, but I never treat individuals as the collective on something superficial. I mean, I crack jokes all the time, but I can say that there are juggalos that aren't stupid or annoying or what ever else you dislike about them.

Nah **** em

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

These are basically the definitions that I've been using and they're two extremely different things. I can elaborate if you need me to.

And you don't think that's cherry picking compared to these two?

frequently encountered or widely accepted

the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Bolded: It's more of a reason for me to not give much credit to popularity. And I'm better than most people. Most people are dumb as ****. i think we can agree on that.



Nah **** em

Yeah, but that's assuming you need a level of intelligence to appreciate art. You don't. And it's not how you put it, you said it in a much more objective way.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

And you don't think that's cherry picking compared to these two?

frequently encountered or widely accepted

the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned

Popularity is just popularity, consensus is consensus on x. If you're going to make an *masturbates* "objective" argument on music, then use the consensuses on whatever you think is good about the music.

Seriously the dumbest argument I've ever had on MB and I once had a ten page long argument about socks.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Yeah, but that's assuming you need a level of intelligence to appreciate art. You don't. And it's not how you put it, you said it in a much more objective way.

What? Nigga learn to infer. I'm just better.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Popularity is just popularity, consensus is consensus on x. If you're going to make an *masturbates* "objective" argument on music, then use the consensuses on whatever you think is good about the music.

Seriously the dumbest argument I've ever had on MB and I once had a ten page long argument about socks.

That's not anything.

Popularity is the consensus on how good something is. If something has the consensus on being good, then the popular opinion is that it's good. Music is not popular with out the consensus of it being good. There is music that seems popular, Nickelback, but is not widely accepted or have the consensus of being good. It's the illusion of being popular.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

That's not anything.

Popularity is the consensus on how good something is. If something has the consensus on being good, then the popular opinion is that it's good. Music is not popular with out the consensus of it being good. There is music that seems popular, Nickelback, but is not widely accepted or have the consensus of being good. It's the illusion of being popular.

Aaaaaaaaaand that's not consistent enough to be used as a gauge for quality......