Eminem - Revival

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

No, if the general consensus is that they are ****, then it's not popular. What do juggalos have to do with anything?

We're clearly working with different terminology. Check out my 20ish posts in this thread and hmu when you don't want to pony up on a idiotic stance.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

And you can also have an artist that is popular that a lot of people think is ****. This is not a very complex thing. Stop hanging out with juggalos.

If you want to fellate yourself about having an objective discussion but dismiss every premise without comment or justification, then you don't really want to have an objective discussion because you're avoiding one for arbitrary reasons.

Yeah, sure, because using logic isn't justified but redefining words to fit your rhetoric is. After YOU tried to make it objective after dismissing a whole crowd of people's opinions for not living up to your standard of music appreciation. LOL the irony in you.

[Cuthbert]

What a debate

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

We're clearly working with different terminology. Check out my 20ish posts in this thread and hmu when you don't want to pony up on a idiotic stance.

Clearly you are, you just need to pull out a dictionary. The internet, man, I used it just to make sure I'm not full of ****. Stretching definitions to fit your rhetoric LOL

Edit" LOL "You're a big idiot saying stupid **** who just automatically dismisses my points with no real points you moron! Maybe if you stopped hanging out with juggalos you'd say something worth a ****!"

And I bet he fails to see the irony of it. While redefining words.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Clearly you are, you just need to pull out a dictionary. The internet, man, I used it just to make sure I'm not full of ****. Stretching definitions to fit your rhetoric LOL

So do you not agree that finding a similar premise to debate with agreed upon terminology is a starting point for an "objective" discussion about music (which makes as much sense as a subjective discussion about science)? It would at least make some parties look a bit less

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Edit" LOL "You're a big idiot saying stupid **** who just automatically dismisses my points with no real points you moron! Maybe if you stopped hanging out with juggalos you'd say something worth a ****!"

And I bet he fails to see the irony of it. While redefining words.

Honestly only taking up the accusatory reigns because you brought them into the game first with the whole "oh you just hate on popularity because you don't agree with it" argument.

You are being a genuine idiot right now and you can occasionally be a smart guy. You mentioned hanging out with juggalos. I assumed that it was the juggalos. If not, idk get more sleep or something?

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

So do you not agree that finding a similar premise to debate with agreed upon terminology is a starting point for an "objective" discussion about music (which makes as much sense as a subjective discussion about science)? It would at least make some parties look a bit less

We didn't agree on that terminology as you presented it, the dictionary didn't agree with the terminology as you presented it, and objectively the terminology follows the dictionary definition. Going by that, popularity is the consensus of how good the music is. Music that has a consensus of being **** isn't popular even though it seems to be. It's like, you just wanted to change the definition of consensus just so you wouldn't be wrong.

And if you think talking objectively about music is senseless than why did you continue the objectivity of the discussion with what you said?

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Music that has a consensus of being **** isn't popular even though it seems to be.

Twenty mile long laundry list of counterexamples.

GTFO with that garbage logic.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Honestly only taking up the accusatory reigns because you brought them into the game first with the whole "oh you just hate on popularity because you don't agree with it" argument.

You are being a genuine idiot right now and you can occasionally be a smart guy. You mentioned hanging out with juggalos. I assumed that it was the juggalos. If not, idk get more sleep or something?

Well I know that YOU don't personally think that music is terrible just for being popular, I'm wrong for implying that, but I still take issue with the statement you made. You made a comment to invalidate certain people's opinions because you think they don't live up to your standards of music appreciation, just like you are trying to invalidate the intelligence of juggalos now. It's you continuing the attempt Maajo made at making music objective.

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by Frownland

Twenty mile long laundry list of counterexamples.

GTFO with that garbage logic.

You've told me it's wrong but never told me how it's wrong. I can tell you how it's right.

Popular definitions.

1 : of or relating to the general public
2 : suitable to the majority: such as
a : adapted to or indicative of the understanding and taste of the majority a popular history of the war
b : suited to the means of the majority : inexpensive sold at popular prices
3 : frequently encountered or widely accepted a popular theory
4 : commonly liked or approved a very popular girl

Consensus defintions.

1 a : general agreement : unanimity
the consensus of their opinion, based on reports … from the border —John Hersey
b : the judgment arrived at by most of those concerned the consensus was to go ahead
2 : group solidarity in sentiment and belief

Now explain how something that is Popular is not something with the general agreement of being good.