The American Presidents

The Batlord · 06-06-2022, 08:11 PM

Trump is a bastard but he never invaded multiple countries to sell their infrastructure off to American corporations and kill a million people in fire and death. Our presidents are still monsters who should be hung by the neck until death.

music_collector · 06-06-2022, 09:37 PM

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There are at least a couple of changes I'd like to see made with our system. For starters I don't think our politicians should be able to choose our judges nor should they be elected. They should be independent of partisan politics and decide based on the Constitution and their own conscience.

I also don't like the idea of political parties. Anyone should be able to run for office without having to follow some sort of party line. Again, they should be able to vote based on the needs of their constituents and, again, of their own conscience.

There is something I never understood with regard to party loyalty in the U.S.. It seems to me (likely based on what the media spews at us) that you're either a hardcore Dem or hardcore Rep. There is no in between. That people literally fight those allegiances, I don't understand. It's as if each party is a family in the mafia. We're slowly becoming that way as well.

Judges are appointed here. Senators are also appointed. Neither is a good idea. I'm sure most of you heard about the freedom convoy in January. One of the organizers (conservative leaning) was arrested. On her first day in court, she was in front of a liberal appointed judge. The judge was a liberal candidate in a recent federal election (my old riding, actually). The person was denied bail. The charges against her were mischief, obstruction of police, and intimidation. She appealed shortly after, implying that the judge's liberal leanings suggested that she was held without bail for political reasons. She won, and was granted bail.

Trollheart · 06-06-2022, 09:47 PM

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Trump is a bastard but he never invaded multiple countries to sell their infrastructure off to American corporations and kill a million people in fire and death. Our presidents are still monsters who should be hung by the neck until death.

Only because he never got a chance to. There's always 2024 though. Essentially though he did kill close to a million people, at least indirectly - allowed them to die, did not give one single flying **** about them.

Ayn Marx · 06-07-2022, 06:48 AM

Underneath all this are the seldom admitted faults in the system of US Government that, if faced honesty tell us contrary to most Americans beliefs, that system of Gov’t is anything but a full democracy. But that’s another topic for another time maybe.

rubber soul · 06-07-2022, 07:33 AM

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I'm excited for your review of the contentious 1876 election that resulted in Rutherford B. Hayes becoming president. And also your view on the gilded age presidents in general. It's a period of American history that for some reason is largely forgotten in the public consciousness. It's the awkward teenage years, past the heralded glories of our childhood but before we become an international adult powerhouse.

Don't forget to tell the story of Taft getting stuck in a bathtub, or Teddy Roosevelt relaying the sasquatch story told to him by a trapper in one of his books.

I am excited for this journal.

I'll definitely be covering the Gilded Age period. It's one of the periods that interest me as well given it was also the age of post-reconstruction and the era of the railroad robber barons not to mention the practice of the spoils system, something that would prove fatal to one American President.

I'll look at Taft and the bathtub (I have heard stories). Never heard about the Sasquatch story though. I know Teddy liked to go on safari.

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Getting my gun loaded for if this libtard whitewashes Woodrow Wilson.

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I'm sure he'll mention that WW watched a White House screening of The Birth of a Nation.

I assure you our Woody won't be whitewashed. I'm quite aware of the Birth of a Nation story and you'll be pleased to know he is not one of my favorite Presidents.

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There is something I never understood with regard to party loyalty in the U.S.. It seems to me (likely based on what the media spews at us) that you're either a hardcore Dem or hardcore Rep. There is no in between. That people literally fight those allegiances, I don't understand. It's as if each party is a family in the mafia. We're slowly becoming that way as well.

Judges are appointed here. Senators are also appointed. Neither is a good idea. I'm sure most of you heard about the freedom convoy in January. One of the organizers (conservative leaning) was arrested. On her first day in court, she was in front of a liberal appointed judge. The judge was a liberal candidate in a recent federal election (my old riding, actually). The person was denied bail. The charges against her were mischief, obstruction of police, and intimidation. She appealed shortly after, implying that the judge's liberal leanings suggested that she was held without bail for political reasons. She won, and was granted bail.

There was a time when our Senators were appointed here too but they switched to popular vote (as it should be) sometime in the early twentieth century. As for the judges, I don't know what the solution is. They shouldn't be beholden to the popular vote or to some Senator's ideology, left or right. It seems that the lesser of the evils is for the judges to police themselves, but then who will objectively police the judges when they become corrupt?

Anyway, I'll start off the actual journal tomorrow. Meanwhile, time to work on James Madison.

SGR · 06-07-2022, 07:53 AM

Contrary to popular belief, Franklin Pierce was actually the most handsome president.

but Chester Arthur had the best fashion sense. Dude was always bringing the drip.

rubber soul · 06-07-2022, 08:29 AM

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Contrary to popular belief, Franklin Pierce was actually the most handsome president.

Not to mention one of the drunkest

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but Chester Arthur had the best fashion sense. Dude was always bringing the drip.

He was also a bit underrated imo, but you'll have to wait to see why I think that.

SGR · 06-07-2022, 09:09 AM

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Not to mention one of the drunkest

When you learn what happened to his kid, with the train crash, his drunkenness becomes a bit more understandable.

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He was also a bit underrated imo, but you'll have to wait to see why I think that.

I agree. Civil service reforms, built up the navy, and given the circumstances of his ascendancy, I think he did a rather admirable job, especially when most figured he'd be a puppet of Conkling's machine (given his history), but instead, he followed a more honorable path and proved to be a foil to his old ally. Chinese exclusion act will probably forever be a stain on his legacy, but I think the historical consensus is that Arthur wasn't afraid of trying to go against the grain of what his old allies wanted because he had Bright's disease and knew he'd die very soon.

Trollheart · 06-07-2022, 09:52 AM

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I'll look at Taft and the bathtub (I have heard stories). Never heard about the Sasquatch story though. I know Teddy liked to go on safari.

Story I heard was he preferred to go on picnics.

rubber soul · 06-07-2022, 10:22 AM

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Story I heard was he preferred to go on picnics.

Actually Taft was a very disciplined man. After the Presidency, he lost a lot of weight and eventually would get the job he had always wanted, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

06-07-2022, 06:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ayn Marx Music Addict Join Date: May 2022 Location: Sometimes Posts: 552	Underneath all this are the seldom admitted faults in the system of US Government that, if faced honesty tell us contrary to most Americans beliefs, that system of Gov’t is anything but a full democracy. But that’s another topic for another time maybe.

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SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	Contrary to popular belief, Franklin Pierce was actually the most handsome president. but Chester Arthur had the best fashion sense. Dude was always bringing the drip.