One More Round the Bend (Blarobbarg's half-assed journal where he recommends stuff)

Blarobbarg · 04-04-2019, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg

Do you ever wonder if Calvinism is in fact correct? Do you ever wonder if determinism is true regardless of whether or not Christianity says so?

Yeah, I do wonder. To an extent all of our actions can be blamed on the chemistry in our brains and forces outside of our control, and in that way, I guess our lives are not in our control.

I do think I believe that the universe leans towards goodness, but I could just think that because full cosmic nihilism makes my life lack any sort of meaning and I’m trying to proetect myself. I dunno.

OccultHawk · 04-04-2019, 08:21 AM

1) Free will is clearly impossible (for the reasons you said)
2) Matter, energy, and empty space have no moral leaning and neither do living things because morality implies free will.

*The universe doesn’t care.

**Frownland** · 04-04-2019, 08:57 AM

Determinism = woo
No morality or purpose to the universe = great reasons to be selfish (aka enjoying your life)

OccultHawk · 04-04-2019, 09:09 AM

Determinism = woo

if something determines

the impossibility of free will is just science

if you haven’t come to understand that yet you’re just not thinking about it honestly

Blarobbarg · 04-04-2019, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Determinism = woo
No morality or purpose to the universe = great reasons to be selfish (aka enjoying your life)

Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I may also just be predisposed to finding a spiritual meaning in the world around me because of my experiences, but I stand by this.

OccultHawk · 04-04-2019, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I’m trying to live like this, too. Mostly failing tbh

**Frownland** · 04-04-2019, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Determinism = woo

if something determines

the impossibility of free will is just science

if you haven’t come to understand that yet you’re just not thinking about it honestly

I find it much more dishonest to claim scientific certainty on something that's unfalsifiable. Do you have a way to accurately test someone making different decisions in the same scenario that accounts for sensory delay and reactivity? If our brains are wired to present options that we then choose from in response to certain stimuli (which is how I view it), would you consider that to be free will or determinism? I've yet to see any evidence that makes the free will illusion theory concrete.

Admittedly a false equivalency, but if we program AI to program AI in a way that's beyond our capacity, does the programming AI make decisions or have we made them predetermined?

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg

Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I may also just be predisposed to finding a spiritual meaning in the world around me because of my experiences, but I stand by this.

Ja that's pretty much how I feel too, maybe a better way to put it is selfishness with an understanding of what we need to really enjoy life.

Blarobbarg · 04-14-2019, 03:56 PM

waiting

life is directed
towards blood,
towards dirt.

everything else
along the way
is just waiting

i've waited for so long

Blarobbarg · 04-18-2019, 04:55 PM

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04-04-2019, 08:21 AM	#42 (permalink)
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04-04-2019, 08:57 AM	#43 (permalink)
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04-04-2019, 09:09 AM	#44 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Determinism = woo if something determines the impossibility of free will is just science if you haven’t come to understand that yet you’re just not thinking about it honestly __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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04-18-2019, 04:55 PM	#49 (permalink)
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