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Blarobbarg 04-04-2019 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Dharma & Greg (Post 2050761)
Do you ever wonder if Calvinism is in fact correct? Do you ever wonder if determinism is true regardless of whether or not Christianity says so?

Yeah, I do wonder. To an extent all of our actions can be blamed on the chemistry in our brains and forces outside of our control, and in that way, I guess our lives are not in our control.

I do think I believe that the universe leans towards goodness, but I could just think that because full cosmic nihilism makes my life lack any sort of meaning and I’m trying to proetect myself. I dunno.

OccultHawk 04-04-2019 07:21 AM

1) Free will is clearly impossible (for the reasons you said)
2) Matter, energy, and empty space have no moral leaning and neither do living things because morality implies free will.

*The universe doesn’t care.

Frownland 04-04-2019 07:57 AM

Determinism = woo
No morality or purpose to the universe = great reasons to be selfish (aka enjoying your life)

OccultHawk 04-04-2019 08:09 AM

Determinism = woo

if something determines

the impossibility of free will is just science

if you haven’t come to understand that yet you’re just not thinking about it honestly

Blarobbarg 04-04-2019 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2050777)
Determinism = woo
No morality or purpose to the universe = great reasons to be selfish (aka enjoying your life)

Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I may also just be predisposed to finding a spiritual meaning in the world around me because of my experiences, but I stand by this.

OccultHawk 04-04-2019 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 2050780)
Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I’m trying to live like this, too. Mostly failing tbh

Frownland 04-04-2019 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2050779)
Determinism = woo

if something determines

the impossibility of free will is just science

if you haven’t come to understand that yet you’re just not thinking about it honestly

I find it much more dishonest to claim scientific certainty on something that's unfalsifiable. Do you have a way to accurately test someone making different decisions in the same scenario that accounts for sensory delay and reactivity? If our brains are wired to present options that we then choose from in response to certain stimuli (which is how I view it), would you consider that to be free will or determinism? I've yet to see any evidence that makes the free will illusion theory concrete.

Admittedly a false equivalency, but if we program AI to program AI in a way that's beyond our capacity, does the programming AI make decisions or have we made them predetermined?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 2050780)
Ironically, I find the lack of inherent meaning a great reason to be selfless and to forge our own meaning through solidarity with others.

If we're all on earth to live until we die we can at least make the experience a little brighter for the people here with us and who come after us.

I may also just be predisposed to finding a spiritual meaning in the world around me because of my experiences, but I stand by this.

Ja that's pretty much how I feel too, maybe a better way to put it is selfishness with an understanding of what we need to really enjoy life.

Blarobbarg 04-14-2019 02:56 PM

waiting

life is directed
towards blood,
towards dirt.

everything else
along the way
is just waiting

i've waited for so long


Blarobbarg 04-18-2019 03:55 PM

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LET YOUR EARS BLEED LIKE THEY'RE IMPALED ON THE BARBS OF THIS DANGEROUSLY TASTY ALBUM




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