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[MERIT] 12-21-2018 06:58 PM

I updated the broken links and pics in my older journal posts.

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Wanted to touch on firearms again. I settled on the 10mm Auto handgun model that I want.


Definitely going with the Rock Island Armory / ArmsCor 1911, but there are 2 variants that caught my eye. Both pistols have a 16+1 capacity.


The model 52009 Ultra FS HC [PICTURED BELOW] has a 5" barrel and a MSRP of $798.


https://i.postimg.cc/28x6LX7m/52009-...eftprofile.jpg


The model 52000 Pro Match Ultra HC [PICTURED BELOW] has a 6" barrel, adjustable rear sights, an integrated picatinny rail, forward cocking serrations and has a MSRP of $1322 USD.


https://i.postimg.cc/NfC3n6gm/Big-Ro...-Profile-2.jpg


That integrated picatinny rail on the 52000 Pro is a game changer! And the forward cocking serrations make chambering a round all the easier. And that extra inch of barrel length ensures no unburned powder, especially with hot loads.


If I had the money, I'd definitely take the 52000 Pro model. That's a no-brainer. But for the bargain, the 52009 Ultra is hard to beat!

[MERIT] 12-23-2018 07:15 PM

I spoke earlier about the Kel-Tec PMR-30 [PICTURED BELOW]. This polymer pistol chambered in .22 WMR has a 30+1 capacity and a MSRP of $455 USD. While you can get it with a threaded barrel, attaching a suppressor is not recommended by the manufacturer, as the trapped gases have been known to react with unburned powder and damage the pistol, even resulting in explosions.

http://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/...1287748131.jpg

The company also makes this firearm in a carbine version, the Kel-Tec CMR-30 [PICTURED BELOW], with a 16" barrel, collapsible stock and a MSRP of $630 USD. This version better lends itself to the use of a suppressor, as the longer barrel ensures that unburned powder will be at a minimum.

https://i.postimg.cc/W3wNf1SF/597903...cmr-30-640.jpg

The .22 WMR can achieve muzzle energies up to 339 ft-lbs [when fired from a rifle], giving the shooter 10,509 ft-lbs of stopping power.

Neither are my ideal self defense weapon, as a single center mass shot by a .22 WMR is unlikely to stop a full-sized human being, but for recreation? You betcha! And cheap ammo to boot!

[MERIT] 12-28-2018 12:56 AM

I'm not sure if you think like me, but when I think about firearms and different guns in different calibers, my mind wonders to "which bullets are the deadliest?" and "which gun holds the most rounds?"

I've done some of the hard work for you. Here are some pistols in select calibers that hold the most rounds [while not resorting to giant drum or stick magazines] and the bullets in that caliber with the highest muzzle energy [stopping power]!

I'm going to catalog pistols in .22 WMR, 5.7x28mm, .357 SIG, .45 ACP, 10mm Auto and 9mm [I skipped .380 Auto since it's just a pussified 9mm and .40 S&W since it's a pussified 10mm Auto].

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We'll start with the Kel-Tec PMR-30 chambered in .22 WMR. It has a 30-round magazine and holds 1 in the pipe, for a maximum capacity of 31 rounds. It sports a 4.3" barrel. The MSRP is $455 USD, but good luck finding one in stock for that price. Yeah, this fucker is popular, to say the least.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=h...pid%3D15.1&f=1

We're gonna pair that with some 40-grain RWS Magnum SP .22 WMR ammunition, which has a muzzle energy of around 134 ft-lbs [foot-pounds] when fired from a pistol. This rimfire cartridge has a soft lead point and is suitable for precision shots up to 100 yards, but you can cut that in half when firing it from a pistol. This cartridge is best suited in a rifle [longer barrel = longer powder burn time = faster bullet = hits harder], but just like with a wasp sting, while 1 won't stop you, 31 will put your ass down for the count.
https://rws-munition.de/typo3temp/_p...383f3db0eb.png
So 31 rounds x 134 ft-lbs / round = 4,154 ft-lbs of stopping power in your hands! The .22 WMR isn't known as a man stopper, but precision and quantity are your friend when it comes to this round. So a Kel-Tec full of RWS ammo is my pick for this caliber.

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Speaking of guns that hold lots of little projectiles, I give you the FN Five-Seven chambered in 5.7x28mm. The U.N. petitioned for a new firearm [#MilitaryIndustrialComplex] that could shoot through bullet-proof vests, so this was FN's answer. Originally holding 20 rounds and 1 in the pipe, a ProMag extended magazine extends that capacity to 30+1. It has a 4.8" barrel. The MSRP is Snoop Dogg on April 20th high at $1,399 USD.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/userimag...wm_4711761.jpg

Ammunition for this gun can be hard to find, unless you shop online. I hate it when companies create proprietary calibers, but motherfuckers are gonna do what they do. And with it being so rare, there aren't many statistics out there to go by, Obviously, military ammo isn't going to be available to civilians, but we can get the FNH 40-grain Hornady V-Max cartridges, which are also called FN SS197SR. These fuckers have a hollow point that they fill with polymer to make it fly all the straighter, while still expanding and mushrooming on impact. This ammunition reportedly has a maximum muzzle energy of around 367 ft-lbs. Combine that with the 31-round capacity, and you've got 11,377 ft-lbs of stopping power in your hands.

https://i.postimg.cc/fyCK8m63/4b47f7...8be979-4-3.jpg

[MERIT] 12-28-2018 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2028556)
hey Merit :o: got any opinion on this one Mr.McAfee showed off the other day?
https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/s...63728610570240

First off, fuck John McAfee. He's a rapist, murderer and pedophile.

Second, he is full of shit, and so is whoever told him that he can fly with that thing.

Legality would be determined by the ATF. You can own full auto firearms in the U.S. as long as you get a stamp [pay a fee]. It would be further regualted by state and local authorities.

windsock 12-28-2018 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2028781)
First off, fuck John McAfee. He's a rapist, murderer and pedophile.

Wut

[MERIT] 12-28-2018 10:08 PM

Next, on to a caliber that I've never really been able to get behind. Usually, pistol enthusiasts argue over 9mm and .45 ACP. Some split the difference with a .40 S&W. Others go for the .357 SIG, an ugly little bottlenecked son of a bitch. If you go this route, you'll want a Glock 31 or Glock 32. Both are full-size handguns with a 16+1 capacity and a 4.5" barrel. You can usually pick one up for around $500 - $550 USD.

http://gunivore.com/wp-content/uploa...6/08/g31-4.png

High pressure .357 SIG ammo can hit nearly as hard a .45 ACP or 10mm Auto. For the biggest bang, go with the Grizzly 90-grain jacketed hollow point. It has a muzzle energy reaching 721 ft-lbs. With 17 rounds at your disposal, that gives you 12,257 ft-lbs of stopping power.

https://i.postimg.cc/G3DGDHGJ/357SIG.png

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Next up is what some people consider the king of all-around handgun calibers, the .45 ACP. First up, the firearm: the FNX-45 Tactical. With a 15+1 capacity and a threaded barrel, this baby is the tits. It has a 4.5" barrel, front and rear cocking serrations and an integrated 2.25" Picatinny rail. Look for a MSRP of around $1,350 USD.

https://tombstonetactical.com/images...34-1-large.jpg

As far as ammunition goes, you'll want the MagSafe 68-grain Swat +P jacketed hollow point, which sports a muzzle energy of up to 771 ft-lbs. With 16 rounds in your firearm, that gives you 12,336 ft-lbs of stopping power.

https://i.postimg.cc/Hx0cdhrK/45SS.jpg

[MERIT] 12-28-2018 11:36 PM

Now, for my favorite handgun caliber: the 10mm Auto. For the stopping power vs. round size, it's hard to beat. This thing is not only a man / beast killer, but it's accurate to further distances than most other large calibers.

For the gun, there is just no beating the Rock Island Armory / ArmsCor Pro Match Ultra HC 1911. Not only is it a 1911, so you know it's reliable as fuck, but it sports a double stack magazine, so you get the high [16+1] capacity that you want want as well. It has a 6" barrel, front and rear cocking serrations an MSRP of around $1,300 USD.

https://i.postimg.cc/NfC3n6gm/Big-Ro...-Profile-2.jpg

You'll want to pair that with some good ammunition, like the 155-grain Underwood XTP jacketed hollow point, which can achieve muzzle velocities of up to 774 ft-lbs. With 17 rounds at your disposal, that gives you 13,158 ft-lbs of stopping power.

https://i.postimg.cc/Nf0jLQmL/proxy-duckduckgo-com.png

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Now, if it was up to me, I would have ended with the 10mm Auto, but no list is complete without what is possibly the most ubiquitous handgun caliber out there, the 9mm. The longtime favorite of military and law enforcement alike, you can find them at as many places as the .22 LR, the world's post popular round.

For the gun, FN makes it's third appearance on this list, with the FN 509 Tactical. It sports an impressive 17+1 capacity, but an extended magazine ups that to 24+1. It has a 4.5" threaded barrel and a MSRP of around $1,050 USD.

https://cdn0.thetruthaboutguns.com/w...43-700x422.jpg

And you've gotta have good ammo, like the 64-grain MagSafe +P Max, with a muzzle energy of up to 540 ft-lbs. Pair that with the insane 25-round capacity, and you've got 13,500 ft-lbs of stopping power in your hands.

https://i.postimg.cc/kXvRt4vH/9mmmax.png


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If you would like to see any other reviews of handguns or ammo, let me know!

[MERIT] 12-29-2018 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windsock (Post 2028792)
Wut

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-m...losive-new-doc

[MERIT] 12-29-2018 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindfulness (Post 2028847)
@merit, i didnt know that about the Macfee but yeah gun looked insane :yikes:

that FN 57 you posted is nice, a friend of mine had one of those down in North Carolina. :beer:

You're friend must have a lot of money to throw around. Those things are expensive. Over $1,000 USD. Probably closer to $1,300.

As for McAfee's gun, I first thought that it was a toy, as it had a red / orange tip, but it wasn't. He said that the bullets were propelled by hydrogen, not gun powder. There are no bullets that I know of, that fit that description. And if there were, I severely doubt that you could get it for $180 [assumedly USD]. Dude is crazy.

[MERIT] 01-03-2019 11:06 PM

Discontinued Rossi Circuit Judges
 
This post is dedicated to Rossi and the Circuit Judge firearm models that they no longer produce.

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We'll start off with the Model SCJ28B, the Rossi 28-Gauge revolving shotgun. Manufactured from 2011 - 2013, this unique firearm features a 5-round revolving cylinder, a brass bead front sight, a contoured Monte Carlo wood stock, an 18.5" barrel and a cushioned recoil pad.

Revolving shotguns have always been a sort of novelty in the firearm world. Rossi is the only manufacturer that has really gone to town with the idea, albeit in smaller gauges.

https://i.postimg.cc/fbGy1DcG/28.jpg

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Next up is 2011 Model SCJ4510 & 2012 Model SCJ4510LA, the .45 LC / .410-Bore lever action revolving shotgun / rifle. Holy shit balls Batman! A lever action revolver! Does the world need such a thing? Nope. Do we appreciate it? FUCK yes, we do!

The 5-round revolving cylinder chambers both .45 Long Colt ammunition and .410-Bore shotgun ammunition. It features a Monte Carlo wood stock, a cushioned recoil pad, an 18.5" barrel, a fiber optic front sight and a picatinny top rail.

To my knowledge, this is the only lever action revolving shotgun [or rifle] ever produced!

https://i.postimg.cc/DzffD6MK/lever.jpg

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Next up is the discontinued Model SCJ22LR22M. Manufactured from 2011 - 2016, this 9-round revolving rifle has an interchangeable .22 LR / .22 WMR cylinder. The composite Monte Carlo stock features a thumb hole grip with upper and lower picatinny rails, a fiber optic front sight and an 18.5" barrel. HERE is a high resolution pic.

https://i.postimg.cc/26HNXQPX/22.png

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Next up is Model SCJ44MB, the .44 Magnum! Manufactured from 2011 - 2014, this 5-round revolving rifle features a Monte Carlo wood stock, a picatinny top rail, an 18.5" barrel and a fiber optic front sight.

https://i.postimg.cc/8z8sSPMp/fortyfour.jpg

[MERIT] 01-04-2019 06:05 PM

And now, for a look into the "WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?" files.

This is the Standard Mfg S333:

https://i.postimg.cc/9fpRhvBM/22.jpg

It is a hammerless, double-action-only 8-round double barrel revolver, chambered in .22 WMR. Each pull of the trigger[s] fires 2 rounds.

It features 2 triggers [one for each barrel], with one of them being a longer, 2-finger style trigger. It has an aluminum frame and a polymer grip, weighing in at just 18 ounces when empty. It has a MSRP of $369 USD and a duo of 1.25" barrels.

QUESTION:
What the fuck is going on with that trigger guard? Did you run out of plastic whilst making it?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0PvssvG/22.jpg

The manufacturer recommends Dutch loading it with alternating hollow points and shotshell.

https://i.postimg.cc/NFvXsVg3/22S.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/nr1JsjJH/shotshell.jpg

[MERIT] 01-19-2019 02:15 AM

Kel-Tec CP33
 
Kel-Tec has a new semiautomatic pistol in the works. The CP33, chambered in a budget friendly .22 LR, features a
33
+1
capacity [a 50-round extended magazine will also be available], utilizing a brand new quad-stack magazine.
It has a threaded barrel, so you can easily attach a muzzle brake or suppressor, a full-length Picatinny rail on
top, an M-LOK slot under the barrel, accessory attachment points on each side and at the rear, and adjustable fiber
optic sights. It has a 5.5" barrel. Unloaded, it weighs ~ 24 ounces. The MSRP is $475 USD. In true Kel-Tec style,
they make their innovations as ugly as humanly possibly. I foresee many a problem with that quad-stack magazine
[jams, failures to fire, stove-pipes]. Assuming it actually functions, this would be a fun range gun, as .22LR is the
most widely produced caliber of ammunition on the planet. I've seen bulk caches go for as low as $0.03 USD / round.
While it's always nice to see a new firearm come to market, I wish Kel-Tec would work on keeping their existing products
on the shelves. It's damn near impossible to find a PMR-30 or CMR-30.


https://www.alloutdoor.com/wp-conten...eb-660x440.jpg


http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/w...P33-Pistol.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/DzmPn1rT/cp33-right.png

https://i.postimg.cc/pyN6nqBz/cp33-left.png
https://i.postimg.cc/Y99K4Pvc/kt.jpg




[MERIT] 01-23-2019 01:44 AM

New Hi-Point Tactical 9mm Pistol
 
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NEW HI-POINT TACTICAL 9MM PISTOL


Hi-Point recently unveiled a new pistol at this years SHOT [ Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade] Show in Las Vegas.


Chambered in 9mm Luger, this pistol has a 10-round double-to-single-stack magazine, which is new to Hi-Point, whose pistols and carbines up to this point
have all featured single-stack magazine [their current 9mm pistol offering, the C9, only has an 8-round single-stack magazine].


This new firearm features forward and rear cocking serrations on the slide, a threaded barrel [to attach a muzzle brake or suppressor], an ambidextrous
safety, a secondary backstrap safety and a lower accessory rail [to attach a flashlight, laser sight, bayonet or whatever floats your boat]. It also features
holes to mount an accessory rail or optics to the top of the slide. It is the first firearm to feature Hi-Point's new logo.


Hi-Point hopes to have this gun on the shelves by the end of 2019, with a MSRP of ~ $200 USD. Extended magazines with capacities of 15 - 20 rounds
are also in the works, and, according to Hi-Point representative Dave Kiwacka, this new design may work itself into other models.


MY TAKE ON IT: For $200 USD, this is a hell of a deal. Hi-Points are made in America and carry a lifetime warranty. But why half-ass it? If you are going to
spend the time, money and effort to make new production molds, why just add 2 rounds to the capacity? A double-to-single-stack magazine? Are you
joking? Why not just go full-on double-stack, like your fan base has been asking for for 20 years?


https://i.postimg.cc/1ztKBkrr/03.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/Pqhgq5hr/01.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/LX8GzQnc/02.jpg




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OccultHawk 01-23-2019 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2030564)
And now, for a look into the "WHAT THE FUCK WERE THEY THINKING?" files.

This is the Standard Mfg S333:

https://i.postimg.cc/9fpRhvBM/22.jpg

It is a hammerless, double-action-only 8-round double barrel revolver, chambered in .22 WMR. Each pull of the trigger[s] fires 2 rounds.

It features 2 triggers [one for each barrel], with one of them being a longer, 2-finger style trigger. It has an aluminum frame and a polymer grip, weighing in at just 18 ounces when empty. It has a MSRP of $369 USD and a duo of 1.25" barrels.

QUESTION:
What the fuck is going on with that trigger guard? Did you run out of plastic whilst making it?

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0PvssvG/22.jpg

The manufacturer recommends Dutch loading it with alternating hollow points and shotshell.

https://i.postimg.cc/NFvXsVg3/22S.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/nr1JsjJH/shotshell.jpg

I wanted to see what this looked like with the cylinder open and decided to just post the image to save anyone else the trouble. Seems gimmicky but it’s also ****ing frightening as well. Especially with the hollowpoint and shotshell blasting out at the same time. It’s designed to kill, that’s for sure. Tbh though, irl I’d rather just have the trusted old no frills 38 revolver. That thing seems like it might jam or backfire or some ****. Plus, one thing I like about revolvers is that it’s easy to wrap your head around the mechanics but this thing is a bit of a head scratcher thus the image of the open cylinder.

https://i.postimg.cc/B6gc12mZ/3-EC8-...DEA1173862.jpg

[MERIT] 01-23-2019 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2036853)
Seems gimmicky but it’s also ****ing frightening as well. Especially with the hollowpoint and shotshell blasting out at the same time. It’s designed to kill, that’s for sure. Tbh though, irl I’d rather just have the trusted old no frills 38 revolver. That thing seems like it might jam or backfire or some ****. Plus, one thing I like about revolvers is that it’s easy to wrap your head around the mechanics but this thing is a bit of a head scratcher thus the image of the open cylinder.

https://i.postimg.cc/B6gc12mZ/3-EC8-...DEA1173862.jpg

It's definitely gimmicky, which means that demand > supply for this baby. I'd take a .38 Special / .357 Magnum over this as well. But if you want a revolver for self defense, I'd go with the Taurus Judge, chambered in .45 LC, .454 Cassul & .410 bore shotshell. Or if you prefer death by 1,000 cuts, there are 10-round .22 LR revolvers. I'll make a post about revolvers later tonight.

No need to be dumbfounded by this thing. It holds 8 rounds. They go off 2 at a time, so you essentially get 4 chances to shoot, which sucks, because if you aren't a good shot, you're wasting ammo.

The Batlord 01-24-2019 03:21 AM

A gun with two barrels? I think Rob Liefeld just came.

OccultHawk 01-24-2019 04:16 AM

Quote:

The manufacturer recommends Dutch loading it with alternating hollow points and shotshell
What do you think of loading a regular 38 revolver with alternating bullet types like that?

[MERIT] 01-24-2019 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2037113)
What do you think of loading a regular 38 revolver with alternating bullet types like that?

It really depends on what type of situations that you think you'll encounter.

You can load some shotshell, but know that it won't kill. It will wound, and possibly set you up to make a kill shot afterward.

It's also difficult to remember which type of ammo you have chambered.

Instead of Dutch loading, I would maybe fill 1 speed loader with all shotshell, and then just rely on +P ammo as your primary.

But if you don't have any speed loaders, maybe load the first round with shotshell and the rest with +P.

Ballistics 101 has some good info as far as ammo goes, including a muzzle energy calculator. Keep in mind that their figures will vary depending on your barrel length.

OccultHawk 01-24-2019 04:57 PM

Quote:

You can load some shotshell, but know that it won't kill
That surprises me. My thinking was well a 12 gauge is deadly af but I guess the difference in power is much greater than I realized.

[MERIT] 01-24-2019 05:05 PM

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As far as self-defense revolvers go, I would recommend the Taurus Judge. It comes in
many iterations, with barrels ranging from 2.5" - 6.5", but the best one [in my opinion]
is the Taurus Raging Judge Ultra-Lite. It holds 7 rounds and is chambered in .45 LC
/ .410 bore. It has a 3"chamber, so it can accept magnum shotshells. And goddamn,
is it one sexy firearm!


http://whichgun.com/img/firearms/rev...tra-lite/2.jpg


http://www.az123.com/tau3.jpg


Unfortunately, in their infinite wisdom, Taurus discontinued this model. So
if you find one for sale, expect to pay out the ass for it.


They replaced it with a 6-round revolver chambered in .45 LC /.410 bore /
.454 Cassul. But this version only has a2.5" chamber.


If you are on a budget, they offer a 5-round polymer version called the "Public
Defender" chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore with a 2.5" chamber. It has a
MSRP ~ $470 USD.


https://i.postimg.cc/sgStFsTt/img2.jpg

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Smith & Wesson has a similar offering in "The Governor." It is a 6-round revolver
chambered in .45 LC / .410 bore [it also chambers .45 ACP with the use of moon
clips]. It has a 2.5" barrel and a 2.5" chamber. It has a MSRP of $869 USD.


https://gun.deals/sites/default/file...t_Governor.jpg

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[MERIT] 01-24-2019 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2037448)
That surprises me. My thinking was well a 12 gauge is deadly af but I guess the difference in power is much greater than I realized.

A 12-gauge will kill, regardless of if you use a slug or shot, simply because it has so much energy behind it. A 12-gauge would be equivalent to ~ a 72 caliber rifle.

You have to keep in mind that with a slug, all of the energy is dedicated to that ONE bullet. When you use shot, it is divided between each BB, many of which miss their target.

[MERIT] 01-24-2019 05:12 PM

I mean, if you are within 10 feet of someone and use .357 Magnun /.38 Special shotshell, you'll probably create a wound that will eventualy kill them.

OccultHawk 01-24-2019 05:19 PM

https://gun.deals/sites/default/file...t_Governor.jpg

To me that “mix six” graphic is ****ing surreal.

Exo 01-24-2019 05:21 PM

I don't even like guns and I want to f*ck that gun.

[MERIT] 01-24-2019 06:53 PM

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If you guys like the Judge and Governor, you're gonna love . . . the MEDUSA M47 !!!


http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/c/...x-Mp-412-1.jpg


https://1withabullet.files.wordpress...pg?w=468&h=353


The Phillips & Rogers Medusa Model 47 is a 6-round revolver that can chamber 25+
calibers in the 9mm / .38 range [or 100+ calibers if you want to get REALLY obscure],
including [but not limited to]:


.380 ACP
9×18mm Ultra
9mm Glisenti
9×19mm Parabellum
9mm Browning Long
9×21mm
9×21mm Gyurza
9×23mm Largo
9×23mm Steyr
9mm Largo
9×25mm Mauser
9×25mm Dillon
9mm Winchester Magnum
.356 TSW
.38 ACP
.38 Super
9×23mm Winchester
9×18mm Makarov
.357 Magnum
.38 Casull
.38 Short Colt
.38 Long Colt
.38 Special
.38 Super Comp
.38 S&W
.380 Revolver Short
.380 Revolver Long
.38-40 Winchester


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...Medusa_M47.jpg


The cylinder was designed by Jonathan Phillips, a computer specialist for NASA
and competition shooter who regularly carried multiple guns of different calibers to
the shooting range. The Medusa was an attempt to solve this, because most of the
weapons that he carried were in the 9mm /.38 range. To withstand the varying
pressures involved in the various rounds, the cylinder is made with mil-spec 4330
modified vanadium steel and is specially hardened. This cylinder is about twice as
strong as any other on the market. It uses special rims and springs to hold rimless
cartridges.


It was most definitely designed as a bug-out / SHTF / apocalypse revolver. It is
tantamount to a jack of all trades, master of none. It suffers from accuracy issues,
so close-range firing is recommended. It's been out of production for decades and is
a holy grail for some gun collectors.

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[MERIT] 02-03-2019 03:58 AM

Protecting Yourself On The Cheap
 
Protecting Yourself On The Cheap


This thread is dedicated to cheap forms of personal protection. I hope that you find it useful!

We'll start with cheap firearms. You can usually find some cheap used guns at your local pawn shop. But if you want to buy new, you still
have several choices that won't break the bank, such as Hi-Point, which are made in America and have a lifetime warranty.

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The Hi-Point CF380 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .380
ACP, with an 8+1 capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It has a
MSRP of $179 USD.


Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, ProMag makes a 15-round after-
market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work
in the CF380 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed
for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the CF380.


https://i.postimg.cc/5NwGk2ds/hp.jpg


Hi-Point also offers a version with a recoil compensator [pictured below] that has a
MSRP of $189 USD.


https://i.postimg.cc/mgSk0G1w/8145-DEFAULT-l.jpg

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The Hi-Point C9 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in 9x19mm
Parabellum, with an 8+1 capacity, a 3.5" barrel and weighs 29 ounces unloaded. It
has a MSRP of $199 USD.


Hi-Point also offers a 10-round OEM magazine, ProMag makes a 15-round after-
market magazine that is designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work
in the C9 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is designed for
Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the C9.


https://i.postimg.cc/VLLVjqBk/p.jpg

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The Hi-Point JCP40 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in
.40 Smith & Wesson, with a 10+1 capacity [the highest amongst all Hi-Point
pistols], a 4.5" barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD.


ProMag makes a 15-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed
for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JCP40.


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The Hi-Point JHP45 [pictured below] is a semiautomatic pistol chambered in .45 ACP, with a 9+1
capacity, a 4.5" barrel and weighs 35 ounces unloaded. It has a MSRP of $219 USD.


ProMag makes a 14-round after-market magazine for this gun that is designed for Hi-Point carbines,
but can be made to work in the JHP45 and RedBall has a 20-round after-market magazine that is
designed for Hi-Point carbines, but can be made to work in the JHP45.


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Came up against the character limit, so I will continue this in the next post.

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 04:18 AM

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Next up, we have Cobra, which are also made in America. Along with semiautomatic
pistols, they also manufacture double-shot Derringers. They are known for making
small, low capacity firearms, ideal for concealed carry.


Cobra makes double-shot Derringers [pictured below] chambered in .22 LR,
.22 WMR, .25 ACP, .32 ACP, .32 HRM, .38 Special, .380 ACP, 9mm, .45 LC
and .410-bore, with barrel lengths ranging from 2.4" - 3.5". Their weights range
from 9.5 - 16.4 ounces unloaded. You can usually pick one up for around $150
- $200 USD.


https://i.postimg.cc/5tKrK4gR/der2.jpg


Cobra makes semiautomatic pistols [pictured below] chambered in .32 ACP, .380
ACP, 9mm and .45 ACP, with barrel lengths ranging from 3.3" - 3.5" and weights
ranging from 18 - 24 ounces unloaded. Magazine capacities range from 7 - 10
rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 USD.


https://i.postimg.cc/Y2GsdRKC/cobra.jpg

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Next up is the single-action Heritage revolver [pictured below]. It's a
classic cowboy gun. It sports 6 rounds and the cheaper models are
chambered in .22 LR and generally retail for around $150 USD.


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Then we have Phoenix Arms. They make small caliber semiautomatic pistols [pictured below], chambered
in .22 LR and .25 ACP. They weigh just 20 ounces unloaded, have 3" - 5" barrels and have magazine
capacities ranging from 9 - 10 rounds. You can usually pick one up for around $150 - $180 USD.


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Next up is the single-action Chiappa revolver [pictured below]. Another classic cowboy
gun. The cheaper models come in .17 HMR, .22 LR and .22 WMR and usually retail for
around $180 - $200 USD.


https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/images/29857_1.jpg

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To be continued . . .

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 05:20 AM

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Next up is the Taurus Spectrum [pictured below], a semiautomatic
pistol chambered in .380 ACP. It has a 2.8" barrel, a 6-round
magazine and it weighs just 10 ounces unloaded. You can usually
find one for around $225 USD. It also comes in lots of fancy ass colors.


http://www.genitron.com/HandgunDB/DB...pectrum-13.gif

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There are similar offerings from Ruger, SCCY, ATI and Diamondback, but, for the money, nothing is going to beat a brand new Hi-Point. With a lifetime warranty and a +P rating, they are all you need to get by on the cheap. But if you prefer to go the used route, see if you can find a pre-owned .357 Magnum revolver that is in good condition.

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The Batlord 02-03-2019 10:24 AM

I saw that last one sold at an arts and crafts store of all places. They called it a "glue gun".

Frownland 02-03-2019 12:20 PM

Quote:

Protecting Yourself On The Cheap
Hands: $0 USD

Zhanteimi 02-03-2019 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2040392)
Hands: $0 USD

When my brother-in-law moves, he's required by law to report to his new city / ward office and register his hands and feet as deadly weapons. Such is the law regarding karate black belts of a certain degree here.

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zhanteimi (Post 2040445)
When my brother-in-law moves, he's required by law to report to his new city / ward office and register his hands and feet as deadly weapons. Such is the law regarding karate black belts of a certain degree here.

I was gonna make that joke, but decided against it LOL.

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 05:16 PM

Think I might add to the "Protecting Yourself On The Cheap" posts with things other than firearms, like best knives, pepper spray, tasers, knucks,etc.? Whatcha think?

Zhanteimi 02-03-2019 05:19 PM

I dunno. It's all equally boring.

windsock 02-03-2019 05:27 PM

Talk about different kinds of coshes.

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 05:33 PM

Well, no matter what I write about, it will get shit on, so I may as well just stay in my wheelhouse. Maybe I will talk about the hollow Earth or extraterrestrials or the secret space program. If I can find something that others are interested in as well, then it makes it funner and facilitates positive interaction.

OccultHawk 02-03-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 2040463)
Think I might add to the "Protecting Yourself On The Cheap" posts with things other than firearms, like best knives, pepper spray, tasers, knucks,etc.? Whatcha think?

If you can connect brass knuckles if not probably pepper spray.

Against non-humans I think a knife.

windsock 02-03-2019 05:37 PM

I was being serious. Coshes (small clubs) are very simple, cheap, and effective. I think they'd go well in your affordable thread you're thinking of making.

Zhanteimi 02-03-2019 05:45 PM

Yes! Hollow Earth. Please do that.

[MERIT] 02-03-2019 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by windsock (Post 2040466)
Talk about different kinds of coshes.

Had to look up that term. I'm unfamiliar with it.

For a cheap version, you could go with a billiard ball in a tube sock. The old standby is a sock full of quarters, but if you have that many quarters, you can afford to buy a cue ball.


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