The Rock Album Survivor Reviews Thread

[Frownland]

Yes, it's definitely me who is missing something. Totally.

By step up I meant better than the definition you put out initially. Then I said you were still wrong.

[JGuy Grungeman]

"You're still wrong," with no logic to back it up. You used the same "Not-Glam-Rock" tag you used a couple times before. That's only proving my point that your arguments are redundantly looping around.

1. People lioke music.
2. Most people like a scene or genre because of a sound.
3. People who label something a genre usually do it based off sound, at least the pheasants do.

So why would alternative be differnet? What's so hard to comprehend? The only thing that makes it vague are the origins of the term and the genre.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

"You're still wrong," with no logic to back it up. You used the same "Not-Glam-Rock" tag you used a couple times before. That's only proving my point that your arguments are redundantly looping around.

I've been reiterating myself because you keep dismissing the only point I've been trying to make this whole time: alternative is an umbrella term that encompasses such a vast variety of music that there is no cohesive sound.

1. People lioke music.
2. Most people like a scene or genre because of a sound.
3. People who label something a genre usually do it based off sound, at least the pheasants do.

"What genre is RHCP? Alternative? Cool, I like alternative."

"What genre is RHCP? Alternative? Bleh, alternative sucks."

So why would alternative be differnet? What's so hard to comprehend? The only thing that makes it vague are the origins of the term and the genre.

Because this is alternative


And so is this


This is too


And this


And this is also alternative


There is nothing that suggests these are all in the same genre, but what do you know? They somehow are.

I'm going to reiterate my point just for a laugh. The only thing that unifies alternative music is what it is not. That is why it is called alternative. I look forward to hearing you shout with your head in the sand.

[JGuy Grungeman]

A: I do not consider Gotye alternative rock.
B: You chose bands that have shown experieence in much more than one style. Blink 182? That has the sustained notes and emotion I was talking about. You also forgot for a moment that they are more notable a PUNK BAND.
C: Systen of a Down also has that tone I keep talking about, the one with the sustained notes in the acoustic guitar? But you also forgot that System of a Down is a metal band that doesn't really take themselves seriously.
D: That Ween song is from an art rock album that also has heavy influence in psychedelia, so you should've probably chosen a better song as an example.
E: The guitar work is exactly what I'm talking about. I guess I should point out the raspy and deep guitars that are usually used for chorus/more energetic purposes in alternative.


However, this also proves what I said about genres being combined. That's why there are albums that get tagged with a lot of influences and genres: because they mix things together, ignoring some (but likely not most of) the rules in order to create a new sound that makes them unique.

[Frownland]

Those are all alternative songs, sunshine. You've got some sand in your mouth.

[JGuy Grungeman]

What I said was they carry other genres, meaning other influences as well as alternative. You're completely neglecting that a song, band, and album can have more than just one genre for an influence. Let's take a look at Demon Days. That has elements of trip hop, electropop, hip hop, dance, and many electronic genres. What about Led Zeppelin IV? BLues rock, pioneering heavy metal, Rock and Roll has a rock and roll time structure, wqhat about all the folk songs?

[Frownland]

Um. No. I am aware of that and it confirms my point (alt rock is such a meaningless term that countless other genres fall under it) more than yours. Learn to infer better ffs.

[JGuy Grungeman]

No, it confirms my point., Haven't you noticed how artists will use many differnet tages to describe music? Obviously, multiple genres creates a unique style for a band, but the sounds are taken from many genre qualities shared by variousd bands. That's why bands are generally considered to be in various different areas of music.

OK, here;'s a good example. What about the Rock Album Survivor? THere have been occasions where we would go over various lists to make room for one album, deciding on what it would best fit in.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

No, it confirms my point., Haven't you noticed how artists will use many differnet tages to describe music? Obviously, multiple genres creates a unique style for a band, but the sounds are taken from many genre qualities shared by variousd bands. That's why bands are generally considered to be in various different areas of music.

OK, here;'s a good example. What about the Rock Album Survivor? THere have been occasions where we would go over various lists to make room for one album, deciding on what it would best fit in.

Very true! Alternative is still an extremely vague term despite your, uh, let's call them counter arguments since that's what you seem to think they are.

[JGuy Grungeman]

Your points forget what music is about. Experimentation with sound. Every argument you've made with me involving a band isd based on you simply calling them "alternative rock" and forgetting about other influences. How do you possibly tell me alternative is extremely differnet and has no definition when you offer me a song by a band with a genre that has a very restrained sound: punk? The fact that they included EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING ALTERNATIVE HAD in the song you posted proved my point. n In fact, every song you posted had exactly what I was going for.

A genre is a vague term, yes. But it's the closest we have to desriber common themes shared by various bands. Plus, your latest "arguments" were simple little sentences that either said I made no sense and left it at that, or repetitions of what you said before, or using sources that proved my point as well as yours. I honestly think if anyone can convince me of your opinion, it's not you.
If you want to give me examples, why not find songs from albums with nothing but alternative labels?