The Rock Album Survivor Reviews Thread

[JGuy Grungeman]

But the subgenres are other forms of other genres. It's popular these days for a reason, and it's not because of its former fight against the media. I'll bet most people who like alternative didn't even know its origins. And there are people who specifically do not like alternative. But if one's going to claim alternative has never had a distinct sound, then basically anyone who claims not to like it doesn't know what their talking about. And I've already made these two points clear:

A: It's true alternative had no distinct sound when it came out, but one made of folk/punk/post-punk influence with a pop rock structures and an emotional tone has been formed, and those similarities are shared with many alternative bands.
B: Not EVERY rule of a genre needs to0 be followed. Most do. If all of the rules of a genre are followed, then some things with more genres cou;ldn't be called that. Grunge, for example, calls for lazy vocal delivery. Hardcore Punk has loud, hyperactive and raspy vocals. But the two can be put in the same album. They couldn't if you had to follow all of the rules. So don't assume that every single little detail is a "must-do" when it comes to classifying a genre. I'd say most dop, but not all of them. I know it's a little obsessive trying to go this in-depth with genres, but I think it's an interesting topic.

At Batlord, Indie rock is a form of alternative, and that's something I ALREADY SAID. Sheesh, keep up. My hands are getting tired from all this typing.

Look, I know it seems pointless to find a connection, but there's a reason I do.

People who aren't exactly music buffs like us, us who actua;lly take the time to study and discuss what makes music music, also like mnusic. These people who aren't music buffs, we'll call then pheasants for comedic purposes, like music for the sound, or maybe emotional content. Alternative is huge, but most of the fans like it for a sound, as with every genre. So, doesn't it sdeem odd that there's no unique sounhd? That's why I want to link it all together. It would be cool to see what the results are. Yes, the answer is vague. But it's an answer.

[Frownland]

This is like watching someone defend cold fusion as something that exists.

[JGuy Grungeman]

Maybe you just can't comprehend it. You're just coming up with trolling right now. If you end up saying something along the lines of "It's a vague genre that's pointless" as your next post, keep in mind you already made that point and I had counteracted it. You even said "It's a step up," regarding my definition.

[Frownland]

Yes, it's definitely me who is missing something. Totally.

By step up I meant better than the definition you put out initially. Then I said you were still wrong.

[JGuy Grungeman]

"You're still wrong," with no logic to back it up. You used the same "Not-Glam-Rock" tag you used a couple times before. That's only proving my point that your arguments are redundantly looping around.

1. People lioke music.
2. Most people like a scene or genre because of a sound.
3. People who label something a genre usually do it based off sound, at least the pheasants do.

So why would alternative be differnet? What's so hard to comprehend? The only thing that makes it vague are the origins of the term and the genre.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

"You're still wrong," with no logic to back it up. You used the same "Not-Glam-Rock" tag you used a couple times before. That's only proving my point that your arguments are redundantly looping around.

I've been reiterating myself because you keep dismissing the only point I've been trying to make this whole time: alternative is an umbrella term that encompasses such a vast variety of music that there is no cohesive sound.

1. People lioke music.
2. Most people like a scene or genre because of a sound.
3. People who label something a genre usually do it based off sound, at least the pheasants do.

"What genre is RHCP? Alternative? Cool, I like alternative."

"What genre is RHCP? Alternative? Bleh, alternative sucks."

So why would alternative be differnet? What's so hard to comprehend? The only thing that makes it vague are the origins of the term and the genre.

Because this is alternative


And so is this


This is too


And this


And this is also alternative


There is nothing that suggests these are all in the same genre, but what do you know? They somehow are.

I'm going to reiterate my point just for a laugh. The only thing that unifies alternative music is what it is not. That is why it is called alternative. I look forward to hearing you shout with your head in the sand.

[JGuy Grungeman]

A: I do not consider Gotye alternative rock.
B: You chose bands that have shown experieence in much more than one style. Blink 182? That has the sustained notes and emotion I was talking about. You also forgot for a moment that they are more notable a PUNK BAND.
C: Systen of a Down also has that tone I keep talking about, the one with the sustained notes in the acoustic guitar? But you also forgot that System of a Down is a metal band that doesn't really take themselves seriously.
D: That Ween song is from an art rock album that also has heavy influence in psychedelia, so you should've probably chosen a better song as an example.
E: The guitar work is exactly what I'm talking about. I guess I should point out the raspy and deep guitars that are usually used for chorus/more energetic purposes in alternative.


However, this also proves what I said about genres being combined. That's why there are albums that get tagged with a lot of influences and genres: because they mix things together, ignoring some (but likely not most of) the rules in order to create a new sound that makes them unique.

[Frownland]

Those are all alternative songs, sunshine. You've got some sand in your mouth.

[JGuy Grungeman]

What I said was they carry other genres, meaning other influences as well as alternative. You're completely neglecting that a song, band, and album can have more than just one genre for an influence. Let's take a look at Demon Days. That has elements of trip hop, electropop, hip hop, dance, and many electronic genres. What about Led Zeppelin IV? BLues rock, pioneering heavy metal, Rock and Roll has a rock and roll time structure, wqhat about all the folk songs?

[Frownland]

Um. No. I am aware of that and it confirms my point (alt rock is such a meaningless term that countless other genres fall under it) more than yours. Learn to infer better ffs.