The Rock Album Survivor Reviews Thread

[JGuy Grungeman]

... You didn't really hurt my feeling. I'm just annoyed that no one ever bothers to tell me what's so pretentious about a genre tag.

[Frownland]

I never said pretentious and I never said anything about genre tags being pretentious in themselves.

[JGuy Grungeman]

Over-confident, pretentious, self-righteous, hubris, etc. No one tells my why genre related topics and the deconstruction of a sound and a brand of music is any of the above. I use pretentious because that's the word I usually hear.

[Frownland]

You are frequently incorrect in gauging what a song's genre is (at least in my experience with you here so far) and you claim that you are well versed in identifying genre. That is why I call you foolishly overconfident. I'm sure you'll take this well and vehemently agree with me.

[JGuy Grungeman]

What I said was I have an idea in my head of what a genre sounds like, even more broad genres. Plus,l I've made it clear that I'm not good at explaining things like that. In fact, I was totally winging my alternative rock explanation. I never siad I can identify everyone's idea of a genre. I'm not worried about anyone else's ideras of a genre. Strill, two different ideas of a genre's sound of relevancy makes for an interesting debate. So I do talk about it.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

What I said was I have an idea in my head of what a genre sounds like, even more broad genres. Plus,l I've made it clear that I'm not good at explaining things like that. In fact, I was totally winging my alternative rock explanation. I never siad I can identify everyone's idea of a genre. I'm not worried about anyone else's ideras of a genre. Strill, two different ideas of a genre's sound of relevancy makes for an interesting debate. So I do talk about it.

Okay now I'm willing to use the word pretentious. Genre isn't nearly as subjective as you make it out to be (although I agree that there is a small degree of subjectivity to it).

[JGuy Grungeman]

Uh-huh. And why?

[JGuy Grungeman]

Yeah, small degree. But I've also made it clear there are limits, hence my Justin Bieber/powerviolence scenario. And I agree that alternative is extremely broad. Still, they all carry something similar, don't they? At least, modern alternative does since alternative used to be more about being outside of mainstream.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Uh-huh. And why?

Because when you make language's meaning subjective, you sing the orbit of left all dance anyone can come mumble with their own meandwarf.

Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

Still, they all carry something similar, don't they?

With alternative, I say no. All it had to do is not be glam rock.

[JGuy Grungeman]

So, you don't see the light combination of folk rock and post-punk influence, as well as the commonj social disconcern theme? I think Radiohead's OK Computer and pracrtically anything by REM are prime examples of this. BNut this also proves both of our points that there are things to disagree on inh terms of genre relevancy and sounds.