Tristan Geoff's Post-Hardcore Extravaganza

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 10:27 AM

Well I'm gonna go dee@er into noise rock today, so I might give that a try.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 10:29 AM

Unsane would be a good follow up.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:17 AM

Unsane, huh? I agree. Continuing the post-hardcore/noise rock combination by exposing myself to different bands with that combination would help. Also, Jesus Lizard should make another fine addition. I've already heard Goat before.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:28 AM

You mentioned Seaweed, Tristan. Are you sure they're post-hardcore? I've heard a couple albums by Seaweed due to my grunge affinity. They are definitely punk, but not post-hardcore in my opinion. I've learned that false expectations upon trying out the subject leads to a less pleasant experience and a lower rating. In fact, part of why Lady in the Water did so poorly at the box office and the critical reviews was because it was partially advertised as a horror when it was really more of a mystery-fantasy. I have similar personal experiences. It's possible you rated the album lowly partially because you expected a post-hardcore album but you really got a punk album. You may not have realized it. Try listening to it without a post-hardcore mind.

Tristan_Geoff · 04-05-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JGuy Grungeman

You mentioned Seaweed, Tristan. Are you sure they're post-hardcore? I've heard a couple albums by Seaweed due to my grunge affinity. They are definitely punk, but not post-hardcore in my opinion. I've learned that false expectations upon trying out the subject leads to a less pleasant experience and a lower rating. In fact, part of why Lady in the Water did so poorly at the box office and the critical reviews was because it was partially advertised as a horror when it was really more of a mystery-fantasy. I have similar personal experiences. It's possible you rated the album lowly partially because you expected a post-hardcore album but you really got a punk album. You may not have realized it. Try listening to it without a post-hardcore mind.

My reason for that album's low rating was because it was really dull and lifeless. I don't think I really even considered them post-hardcore when I listened to it but it does have some elements of it.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:31 AM

Tbh, post-anything is always a very murky and vague genre descriptor.

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:41 AM

I wouldn't say so. I can totally connect Refused, Husker Du, Blood Brothers, Lardo, and Cows and put them in the same descriptor. They are, in my opinion, a less constrained version of hardcore that focuses on the aggresion of hardcore but gives it more atmosphere and emotional depth.

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:44 AM

Any inventive take on hardcore can be post hardcore. No, that has no room for ambiguity at all...

JGuy Grungeman · 04-05-2016, 11:54 AM

Exactly. Genre combinations are what create new genres. Post-hardcore is no exception. Either way, I can notice definite similarites in the sound, I can imagine experimentation with hardcore has made plenty of genres, including thrashcore, beatdown, crust punk, post-hardcore, powerviolence, metalcore, etc. Whether these are more experimental or not is not something I can answer, but I can imagine many subgenres are coming out around the same time that bands experiment with a genre. In thi case, hardcore. So in case anyone would say this in the future, it's unfair to say post-hardcore is vague when many other subgenres of post-hardcore have come out, meaning more subgenres have some sound that separates them from others. How vague can PH be when there are so many subgenres of hardcore?

**Frownland** · 04-05-2016, 11:58 AM

Some bands fall under more than one genre category but you've made your mind up, I'll forgo trying to convince you.

04-05-2016, 10:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Well I'm gonna go dee@er into noise rock today, so I might give that a try. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 10:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Unsane would be a good follow up. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:17 AM	#3 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Unsane, huh? I agree. Continuing the post-hardcore/noise rock combination by exposing myself to different bands with that combination would help. Also, Jesus Lizard should make another fine addition. I've already heard Goat before. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:28 AM	#4 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	You mentioned Seaweed, Tristan. Are you sure they're post-hardcore? I've heard a couple albums by Seaweed due to my grunge affinity. They are definitely punk, but not post-hardcore in my opinion. I've learned that false expectations upon trying out the subject leads to a less pleasant experience and a lower rating. In fact, part of why Lady in the Water did so poorly at the box office and the critical reviews was because it was partially advertised as a horror when it was really more of a mystery-fantasy. I have similar personal experiences. It's possible you rated the album lowly partially because you expected a post-hardcore album but you really got a punk album. You may not have realized it. Try listening to it without a post-hardcore mind. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Tbh, post-anything is always a very murky and vague genre descriptor. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:41 AM	#7 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	I wouldn't say so. I can totally connect Refused, Husker Du, Blood Brothers, Lardo, and Cows and put them in the same descriptor. They are, in my opinion, a less constrained version of hardcore that focuses on the aggresion of hardcore but gives it more atmosphere and emotional depth. __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Any inventive take on hardcore can be post hardcore. No, that has no room for ambiguity at all... __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

04-05-2016, 11:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
JGuy Grungeman Primo Celebate Sexiness Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,662	Exactly. Genre combinations are what create new genres. Post-hardcore is no exception. Either way, I can notice definite similarites in the sound, I can imagine experimentation with hardcore has made plenty of genres, including thrashcore, beatdown, crust punk, post-hardcore, powerviolence, metalcore, etc. Whether these are more experimental or not is not something I can answer, but I can imagine many subgenres are coming out around the same time that bands experiment with a genre. In thi case, hardcore. So in case anyone would say this in the future, it's unfair to say post-hardcore is vague when many other subgenres of post-hardcore have come out, meaning more subgenres have some sound that separates them from others. How vague can PH be when there are so many subgenres of hardcore? __________________ I'm a pretty nice troll if you ask me.

04-05-2016, 11:58 AM	#10 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Some bands fall under more than one genre category but you've made your mind up, I'll forgo trying to convince you. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x