The Batlord

The Batlord: Welcome comic book fans and subhumans, to The Batlord and Trollheart's journal dedicated to Batman: The Animated Series (retitled The Adventures of Batman & Robin for its second season, and later relaunched for a final season as The New Batman Adventures) -- for those ignorant clods out there, B:TAS was an American children's cartoon which originally aired from September 5, 1992 to September 15, 1995. Here we shall shamelessly thieve the format from Unknown Soldier and Anteater's Toto journal in the form of Skype discussions about specific episodes from the series.

Depending on how this goes, we may end up expanding this journal to encompass other in-continuity DCAU shows, such as Superman: The Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Justice League/Justice League International, and possibly some of the animated movies -- assuming I can badger Trollheart into watching them (which I will try my ****ing hardest to do). For the foreseeable future, however, B:TAS will be our focus.

If you love Batman, comics, and long-winded, back-and-forth, Siskel and Ebert-style discussions, then this is the journal you've been waiting for. Not that there should be any question that you would, of course.


Trollheart: Hey! Who turned out the lights? Someone let me out of here or by God there'll be hell to pay! I'm telling you: I know lawyers! You think somebody with an association with Mister Burns doesn't know lawy – ah. That's better. Light. Hey it's you Batty! What the hell is this? What's with the bag over the head? Whatever happened to emails and PMs? Whaddya mean, look at this cartoon? I've more important things to do that look at --- hmm. Batman eh? The Animated Series you say? Well ok, if it'll shut you --- hey you know, this ain't bad. This ain't bad at all! Are there more of these? Over a hundred you say? Maybe I'll just stay here and help you review them. But not because you've kidnapped my cats. Oh no. This is purely my own decision. Just don't hurt them. Okay, let's do this thing then!

And, you know, if any of you people reading should happen to feel a need to call the cops and report a kidnapping, well I guess I can't stop you. What Batty? No, no, nothing, just telling everyone how great it is to be here. So, what's first up?


The Batlord: My dick, but that's beside the point.

So let's kick this **** off!

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The Batlord

"Robin's Reckoning, Part 1" is the first of a two part series, where after years of searching, Batman finally discovers the whereabouts Tony Zucco, the man who murdered Robin's parents. This creates tension with his protege as he tries to keep Robin out of the investigation.

Intercut are flashbacks of the death of Dick Grayson's parents, and his early days as Bruce's new ward.

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The Batlord: I guess we can officially call this meeting to order. So, before we go into the actual episode, I have to ask your opinion of the episode in general: love, hate, meh? 6:49 pm


Trollheart: At first I thought it was a bit kiddish, which I guess is fair enough, but then it took off and yeah by the end I was pretty impressed. A love I'd say. 6:55 pm


The Batlord: Fantastic. If you'd said otherwise I'd have harmed you. 6:55 pm


Trollheart: I was a little disappointed nobody actually died, but as you say, it's a kids programme so I suppose you can't have that. I'm more used to your Arkham Asylum/Killing Joke/Dark Knight Batman though. 6:57 pm


The Batlord: Well it is a kid's show. It aired weekdays right after children would have gotten out of school. It's especially impressive since there was a new episode every single day. The first season, which would have aired in a nine month period give or take, was around sixty episodes. That's pretty insane.

The quality of some of the episodes could be spotty because of that, but the depth of the drama for much of the series was pretty amazing considering the intense schedule they must have been under. 6:59 pm


Trollheart: That is, yes. It's so odd how these things are often aimed at children but are clearly darker and meant really for adults. I thought there were some very clever touches in the episode. Liked the part where his mother called Robin "a real boy wonder"...

Zucco's weird though isn't he? Seems to have started out all tough and manly and now he's like he’s regressed to a punk kid or something. 7:00 pm


The Batlord: Another thing that's impressive is the sheer quality of the animation and art design. There really was no cartoon in history with that level of effort and production quality. 7:01 pm


Trollheart: The animation can only be described as very Batman certainly. I doubt you'd see that in anything else. Even the Spider-Man cartoons were bright and cheerful, and had probably too much humour in them. 7:02 pm


The Batlord: I think Zucco's grubbiness is one of the strengths of Robin's story. It wasn't big, epic, comic book craziness. It was a street level story about some two-bit hoodlum who killed two people, just like any number of mafia hits. And yet the repercussions were massive. Just like the murder of Batman's own parents.

So, let's start with the actual tone and animation of the show, since this is the first installment of the journal. 7:04 pm


Trollheart: I thought the guys on the building site at the beginning overdid it though. A bomb? Loosening the bolts would have been enough. A bomb made it seem like foul play was going to be suspected rather than an accident.

Tone: dark of course, very gritty and exactly as you would expect GC to look.

Animation I found very smooth, not jerky or forced. 7:05 pm


The Batlord: And just how you said the show looked very dark. Every cartoon that I'm aware of up till that point had been drawn on white paper, whereas B:TAS was done on black paper, which really made everything look noirish and moody. It's a very unique style. 7:07 pm


Trollheart: Yes it really looked like it came out of the pages of a Frank Miller or Alan Moore graphic novel. 7:07 pm


The Batlord: It was inspired by the first Batman movie, which was itself very influenced by those same graphic novels. 7:08 pm


Trollheart: Yeah, that was prob my favourite of the franchise up to Dark Knight. Some of the others were pretty terrible, almost going back to the sixties camp of the series. 7:09 pm


The Batlord: Another thing that was very unique about the animated series was the design of Gotham. Notice how everything was very stylized. It's an art style that coined its own term: dark deco. Very noirish, which was further enhanced by the modern day-meets-fifties design of the city, cars, etc. The design was incredibly detailed and deliberate. 7:11 pm


Trollheart: Yeah, it all stood out: sharp angles, big heavy shadows thrown across the street, rain lashing down; sort of a Blade Runner meets Batman in a way. Gave the impression of one man trying to hold back the tide of darkness. 7:12 pm


The Batlord: Another thing that really added to the mood of the series was its music. Everything was scored by an actually symphony I believe. It didn't recycle old classical music. Everything was recorded specifically for that show. 7:13 pm


Trollheart: Danny Elfman again. It gave it a very dark, serious feeling. Kind of tended to forget it was supposed to be a cartoon. 7:14 pm


The Batlord: That's the brilliance of B:TAS. You don't have to watch it as a cartoon. And nice factoid about Danny Elfman. I actually didn't know that. 7:15 pm


Trollheart: Oh. It comes up in the credits. I assumed you knew. 7:16 pm


The Batlord: I'm lazy about watching credits. 7:16 pm


Trollheart: There are a few cringy moments though. That fucking elephant. 7:17 pm


The Batlord: It is a kid's cartoon. Sometimes you do have to make allowances for that, but far less than any other kids' show I can think of. 7:18 pm


Trollheart: I also thought when one of the bad guys said "We need a charge" Robin was gonna say "How about sabotage?"

Yeah I understand that. Small price to pay I guess.

I also thought it was sloppy of Batman to leave all his files in Robin's reach on the computer. Couldn't he have encoded them or something? 7:18 pm


The Batlord: When he swung down and kicked the guy? I'd have liked a better line, but I liked more the implication that Robin was so aware of his surroundings that he could kick a guy off a building and know that he was going to land on something safe. It really brought home that Robin was someone who Batman should have trusted, which conflicted with how Batman treated him after he found out about Zucco. 7:19 pm


Trollheart: There was some great coordination all right. What was that thing the hood shot at him? It was like a fucking gatling gun or something! 7:20 pm


The Batlord: A rivet gun I believe. 7:21 pm


Trollheart: Oh I see. As for Robin, I'm assuming Batman thought Robin would be too emotionally invested and might make a mistake, leave himself open? 7:21 pm


The Batlord: Well, we'll have to wait till the next episode to find out exactly what was going through Batman's head. 7:22 pm


Trollheart: Yep. Who's this guy sheltering Zucco, and what relationship has Batman with him? He seems to know him quite well. 7:23 pm


The Batlord: Zucco's uncle, who is a crime boss of some sort. I don't remember him being in any other episodes, but Batman being Batman, he's likely on a first name basis with every mafia boss. 7:24 pm


Trollheart: I just thought it was odd. Looked like they had something going, like maybe he was passing info to Batman or something. Assumed it was part of the arc. 7:24 pm


The Batlord: On to the meat. The thing which really sets this episode so high for me is that it really explores the complex relationship between all of the Bat-family. You have the clearly loving father-son relationship between Batman and Robin, but also a tension due to Bruce's controlling nature. Due to Batman's history with loss, rather than be open with his loved ones to keep them close, he attempts to control them, which actually pushes them away -- which is also in itself a defense mechanism for Batman to distance himself from the potential pain of emotional intimacy. 7:26 pm


Trollheart: And of course this brings back memories of the murder of his own parents. Not forgetting Alfred of course, the doting uncle/grandfather. 7:27 pm


The Batlord: Of course. This was mirrored in the flashback when Batman almost seemed to be actively avoiding Dick, even while trying to "solve" Dick's problem in much the same way he wished he could with the man who murdered his own parents. And then Alfred steps in as the family patriarch to set him straight. 7:29 pm


Trollheart: With just a few dry but well-chosen words he can cut Batman right down to size. 7:29 pm


The Batlord: Alfred is god. If Batman is the ultimate superhero, then Alfred is the ultimate supporting character. Bruce could never hope for a better surrogate father. 7:30 pm


Trollheart: And of course like all parents Batman thinks he is right, and doing the right thing, even if it potentially hurts his "child".

I don't think any other character in any series has a father figure like him, do they? Alfred, I mean. 7:30 pm


The Batlord: Indeed. But one thing I love about Batman's dynamic with the people he makes his surrogate family with, is that even if he can't, or won't be what they need, in the end, he will always try as best he can. What did you think about that last flashback scene, with Bruce opening up to Dick about his own parents' murder? 7:32 pm


Trollheart: I liked the way it got a little ambiguous, as at one point you weren't sure if he was talking for Robin or for his own pain. Kind of have to watch it back to be sure.

You can tell it hurts that he "let" the same thing happen to Robin even though he could not have known about it or done anything about it. 7:32 pm


The Batlord: It's definitely ambiguous. When you think about how much love a man has in his heart for his parents, that when they are murdered in front of him, that it affects him so deeply that he becomes what Batman became, all while never allowing himself to succumb to bitterness. A man like that is too open a wound to ever forget his parents for even a moment. It's why he and Dick will be family no matter what comes between them, since they have so much in common. 7:35 pm


Trollheart: I have to admit, I always hated Robin and thought he was just a device to draw in the younger kids --- hey look kids! You can be just like Batman! --- but I'm beginning to warm to him now. Just a little, mind. He's still a prick

I've always hated teenage sidekicks --- Fallout Boy.....


The Batlord: Honestly, whenever I watch that scene, I always tear up. It's just so tragic, while also being so hopeful at the same time. It's one of the more beautiful moments I've seen on television, kids' cartoon or otherwise. 7:38 pm


Trollheart: I wouldn't go that far, and I'm an emotional guy.

I guess I just don't like Robin.

At the moment anyway. 7:38 pm


The Batlord: I think it's made all the more heartbreaking when it cuts to Robin being so angry about Batman cutting him out of the investigation. It's such a good metaphor for parents in general. When children grow up, all that love can become bitterness when they start questioning the motives of their parents. 7:40 pm

Trollheart: I suppose it depends on how it resolves. If Batman brings Zucco to justice (or kills him) will Robin feel vindicated or cheated?

And is this then the point where Batman is forced to admit that Robin is a man, not a kid, and should be allowed make his own decisions? 7:41 pm


The Batlord: All in good time, padawan. I think the resolution in the second episode will surprise you. I'm not giving anything away till then. 7:42 pm


Trollheart: It will be interesting.

If it turns out to be something stupid, like he's related to Zucco... 7:43 pm


The Batlord: I think we've covered what needs to be covered, unless you can think of anything else? If not, then we can adjourn. Batman out. 7:45 pm

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Anteater

And thus the concept of collaborative journalizing takes off into the stratosphere...!

Fun stuff gents: I'm going to have to watch along with your popcorn talk to fully appreciate the banter happening methinks.

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The Batlord

I don't have Netflix or anything, but this is the site I'm using to watch the episodes. Or at least it was until I downloaded all 109 of them.

Batman: The Animated Series online | Cartoons Online | Animeflavor.com

Next up will be episode 33, "Robin's Reckoning, Part 2", if you wanna get a jump on it. For those with "official" services, the episode numbers might be different than the one I'm using, since there was often a difference in when the episodes were produced and when they were aired. There was already confusion with me and TH about this (I'm using the production schedule, whereas he had the air schedule).

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Also, if anyone hops on that Plex TV thing Goofle was talking about a while back, they have every episode. Pretty sweet. And it's not region-disabled or anything.

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Unknown Soldier

Are you like reviewing every story or just the key ones as episodes 32/33 are strange ones to start with or were these the first in the production order?

I saw these when they first came out, then bought the first two series several years ago really cheap for like £10, I'll have to see if I can find them.

Btw leaving the time at the end of each sentence makes it look like a minutes meeting.

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I pitched this idea for my journal in a PM to Trollheart. But no worries, hope this journal goes well.

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Batty is picking out the episodes he thinks are best concentrated on. Were it up to me, I'd do my usual episode-by-episode thing and we'd be here till 2020!

Also, yeah those timestamps, but who wants to go deleting them off every line? That's how Skype does it, I think we probably have to leave them on.
You did, and I said I'd do it, but I'm not that into your kind of music, which is why a collaborative thing would probably not work, unless you wanted a Devil's Advocate sort of thing. I'd still be up for it, but you'd probably hate what I had to say about your music. At least I have a very basic grounding in Batman, know some comics and have in fact worked with Batty before.

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This is great stuff guys. Will be following.

Also glad you're liking Plex TH. Had a few issues a month or so back, but better than ever now.

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The Batlord

"Robin's Reckoning, Part II" is the end of this two-parter (duh), where in both flashbacks and the present we see Batman and Robin close in on Tony Zucco, the man who murdered Dick Grayson's parents. The tension between the partners continues to escalate, while in the past we see their relationship begin.


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The Batlord: So, like I asked you last time: love, hate, meh?


Trollheart: This time, kind of meh.

I was disappointed with the resolution.


The Batlord: You're a whore.


Trollheart: That's entirely beside the point.

Was expecting more, but then I keep remembering its a kids show.


The Batlord: The only thing wrong to me was that Robin's voice actor wasn't quite up to that last scene.


Trollheart: No, there was a lot wrong for me. I mean, Zucco was ridiculous.

Batman got shot?

Robin didn't kill Zucco?

And who was that woman he saved?


The Batlord: Yes, Batman got shot. Of course Batman's protege isn't going to kill someone. And the woman was a hooker Bettie Page lookalike.


Trollheart: It was good that you see Batman is vulnerable, but is he really that careless to get shot while crawling on a roof?

I felt it was like "Best of both worlds part 2", very watered down after all the excitement and anticipation, and not much of a payoff in the end.


The Batlord: It's because of what he did to Zucco. In the first episode Zucco was young and cocky, but after a decade of being scared of Batman, now he was strung out, paranoid, and on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Any other criminal probably would have ignored a bit of creaking on the roof.


Trollheart: Also, shouldn't Batman be dead? He emptied the magazine into that roof!


The Batlord: Randomly spraying bullets is not a good way to hit things.

It's why soldiers fire in bursts and not full automatic.


Trollheart: Or miss things. A guy with a machine gun is more likely to hit something blind than a guy with a revolver or rifle.


The Batlord: M16s fire in three round bursts for exactly that reason. Spraying bullets you're more likely to hit nothing than if you actually take time to aim.


Trollheart: Well you're a military man [The Batlord's note: I don't know where the **** he got that from.] so I'll bow to your experience. But I just thought there would be more to the story. Batman goes looking for Zuccoo. So does Robin. They find him. They capture him. The end. Meh.

The idea of Batman leaning on a crutch was both hilarious and disturbing.

I know he's not Superman but still...


The Batlord: The ending wasn't the point, though I think Batman's last line gave the dynamic of the episode a twist. Underneath all the cold logic, Batman wasn't worried that Robin would let his emotions get the best of him, he was just an irrationally scared parent.


Trollheart: Yeah that bit was good all right.


The Batlord: To me the episode was a great exploration of Batman as a human being vs. a terrifying vigilante. When he's with Dick as a boy he's a loving father, and yet when the mask is on he's so terrifying that he can drive a criminal almost insane.


Trollheart: Remember, I'm still getting used to this being a kids show. I'm used to a darker Batman than this one.

The family dynamic is interesting isn't it? Batman's father was killed so Alfred is his surrogate, and Dick's father the same so Batman steps into the role. I wonder if in later years Robin takes on a sidekick and the same thing happens?


The Batlord: One great moment that gave that dark feeling was when Dick as a kid was on the streets searching for Zucco, and then you just hear the Batplane's engine. Everybody runs off the street, the lights in the apartments go out, and then you just see this search light. So Big Brother.

You'll have to watch Batman Beyond to see what all happens in this continuity with Bruce.


Trollheart: And what's Batman: The Brave and the Bold?

That's showing over here.


The Batlord: A more light-hearted show that has nothing to do with the B:TAS continuity. It's very humor based, but also shows A LOT of the rest of the DC universe. I highly reccomend it, though you'll have to get used to the campy tone.


Trollheart: Ah. Doesn't sound like it would be up my street.

Batman saving Robin in the flashback was pretty good.


The Batlord: But yeah, the family dynamic is great, and the parallels between the present and the flashbacks really drive that home.


Trollheart: Great moment when he revealed who he was.

I would wonder though how a two-bit hood like Zucco evaded Batman, with all his resources, for so long.


The Batlord: Speaking of that scene (Batman saving Dick as a kid), I've watched that episode more times than I can count, and I never noticed that Batman's costume was different. Usually it's blue and grey, but then it was black and grey, with the yellow oval around the bat symbol gone. I'm pretty sure it was the Year One costume.


Trollheart: Nerd!!!


The Batlord: Fuck yeah.


Trollheart: And proud.


The Batlord: I'd wonder how Batman of all people couldn't find Zucco, but since everyone Zucco knew had cut off ties to him, then that would severely limit the possible leads Batman would have. You could say that his own zealousness actually worked against him.


Trollheart: And yet he knew the guy who was sheltering him.


The Batlord: He was Zucco's uncle, so of course he would know that they had ties.


Trollheart: So why not just stake his place out and wait?


The Batlord: Because the uncle disowned him. Like Detective Gordon said, everyone Zucco knew was staying away, so Zucco had to go off the grid all by himself. Harder to catch someone doing that I imagine.


Trollheart: I guess. I really thought Zucco would fall though, through the bars of the rail and maybe Robin might reach a hand out, unable to grab him, bringing back the memory of reaching for the trapeze.

Poetic justice.


The Batlord: Like you said, it is a kid's show. Otherwise I imagine Robin would have just beat the shit out of him rather than throwing him into barrels. Apparently the station the show was on was very strict about what the show could and could not do. Later on, the show was on a different station which allowed them to get away with more. But even with the restrictions, they still managed to get away with showing a pimp about to beat up a hooker.

They managed to get away with a lot of things with sneaky writing.


Trollheart: That's true. Can you spell "Hooker" kids?


The Batlord: Before this show I don't know that a kid's cartoon had ever actually used guns like that. At least not to the point where a psychopathic gangster is pointing a tommy gun in a guy's face, about to blow him away. Remember, this was the early nineties. Probably a lot of the things that might be commonplace now were not back then.

Back then Voltron and ThunderCats were probably as visceral as cartoons got.


Trollheart: And Roadrunner.

I imagine there were some tense meetings with network execs!


The Batlord: Oh I'm sure. There's a Poison Ivy episode we'll end up doing later on that I don't know how they managed to sneak past them. Some of the Joker stuff was probably edgier than they were comfortable with as well, but we'll get to that next time.


Trollheart: Episode could have used more Alfred too.


The Batlord: One thing I've noticed with watching a lot of these episodes again, is that Batman is not made out to be an invincible ninja. Many times you'll see him having legitimate trouble with surprisingly small numbers of thugs. It reminds me again of Year One, where you see Batman injured and having to deal with a SWAT team of corrupt cops. But that actually grounds the action, and I'll bet that the writers were thinking of that particular scene when they did this episode.


Trollheart: I haven't read that

It is good that he's not a Superman though. I mean, how did anyone watch that? The guy's virtually invincible.


The Batlord: Do so. It's one of the most highly regarded Batman graphic novels of all time. Also done by Frank Miller.


Trollheart: I'll put it on my list.


The Batlord: It's often only second on Best Of lists to The Dark Knight Returns.


Trollheart: That's high praise then.

That was an amazing book.

I think that was the first time I actually realized Batman was not meant to be campy and silly.


The Batlord: I actually haven't read that one. I've seen the animated movie (awesome), but have been sleeping on it. Should have read the book first.


Trollheart: That, Arkham Asylum and The Killing Joke. Excellent.


The Batlord: Dude, they're making an animated movie of The Killing Joke... nothing says we can't talk about some of the comics too, you know. One day...


Trollheart: Hey, I know this has only begun but what would you think of tying it into a Batman movie review thing between us?

Or do it separate.


The Batlord: I'm down with anything Batman.


Trollheart: Cool. I have to get up to speed with the later movies.

Last one I saw through was Batman Begins.


The Batlord: But I imagine we have to cut this short soon, so is there anything else you'd like to go over?


Trollheart: I don't think so. I think we've covered what was there.


The Batlord: Alright then, as always, to our adoring fans, Batman out.


Trollheart: Yeah. Both of them...

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