The In-Tray: A Collaborative Workspace for Journal Authors

**Frownland** · 02-19-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yes, but is it complete yet? I'll certainly think about it, as I said originally I might link the two.

No it's not complete yet, but we're around 150 in and I'm sure it will grow if you wanted to start catching up on them now. Your choice, I just think people will respond better if you reviewed albums that they (and me, mwahahaha) picked. If you catch up more quickly you can incorporate the other list into your reviews again.

Neapolitan · 02-19-2015, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

The thing is, some of the mods whose job it is to approve your entry have slower, older computers and I certainly got a right bollocking for crashing at least one of them. If you go through anybody's journal with videos, even Unknown Soldier's, where he groups four videos together at the end of the review, your PC will stutter and the page will freeze for a few seconds. And my PC is a good one: AMD six-core Phenom II. Now, multiply that by the amount of journals these guys have to approve, and if it keeps happening two things are going to happen: you'll get a warning not to use so many videos or spoiler them or, worst case scenario, your entries will not be approved or will take a while to be.

If you're determined to use all your videos unspoilered, I'd PM the mods who will be approving them (Janszoon, Loathsome Pete, Urban, Vanilla, Goofle etc) and ask if they're ok with that. If you don't do this, you run the risk of getting under their skin, which is never a good thing. But also bear in mind that people reading your journal may struggle with a bunch of videos and this may cause them not to bother coming back. You could always do a bit of a survey I guess, see who is affected by it and how.

I rarely use videos anymore. I feel my writing should say enough about the music without having to "draw pictures" with video. After all, if someone really wants to hear what you're writing about, YouTube is only a click away...

Yes, but is it complete yet? I'll certainly think about it, as I said originally I might link the two.

Do you know of a limit of videos per-page that would do that?
I don't have that problem of my computer freezing then crashing, just curious if there is a limit.

The one thing I have mind when writing a journal is how much time does it take for a reader to go through a post. Both reading and listening to the song or album if they chose to do so. I'm sure there are readers who either read and listen to everything, or they're there just to read, or they're there just to check out the videos. I figure e.g. if a reader spent 5 minutes a journal and went through a dozen journals that is an hour or however you want to figure it — (How much on listening to the songs or album + reading time) X how many journals. I provide videos as a time saver to find it. I am sure the popular stuff they can find on their own, but sometime less popular videos won't show immediate in the search returns. They're found in, what people like to call, "the other side of YouTube."

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Originally Posted by aux-in

I'm working on my next write-up for my Journal. What I'm trying to decide is...I am a visual person as well, so I'm not sure the spoiler tags will be right for me. OK, I am sure...I really don't want to do that. I am new to this process, but the goal is full creativity. I don't mind if it takes awhile to get approved. It's a journal entry and not a regular forum post, so even if it took a day or two, it just looks better to me to have the videos be ever-present in conjunction to the points I'm trying to make. What say you?

I guess another way of providing videos other than having them embedded is to provide the link(s), and change them. Include a song title and add them to what you write, like who says You Can't Do That?

In case you don't know how to fiddle around with them:

copy/paste url(s), clicking Preview Post adds the tags:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Dpt7TI9q0
delete the red:
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Dpt7TI9q0[/url]
add the blue:
[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Dpt7TI9q0"](type or copy/paste) title[/url]
result:
You Can't Do That

Trollheart · 02-19-2015, 01:17 PM

I believe Urban mentioned a limit of three videos per entry that could be unspoilered, but I don't know what's official. As I say, I don't use them anymore, at least in album reviews, and if they're in any other article it's probably just one. If it's a list or something, like "What's in a name" or "Variations on a theme", I would always spoiler them all. I mean, how long does it take to click the button to see the video?

Aux-In · 02-19-2015, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I rarely use videos anymore. I feel my writing should say enough about the music without having to "draw pictures" with video. After all, if someone really wants to hear what you're writing about, YouTube is only a click away...

There are multiple ways to express art. I prefer abstract and not always telling people what I'm thinking, or it's that something should be experienced the way the artist/musician wanted rather than me adding a bunch of words to it. Don't get me wrong, the point of a Journal is to write about something; I will certainly be doing that.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

If it's a list or something, like "What's in a name" or "Variations on a theme", I would always spoiler them all. I mean, how long does it take to click the button to see the video?

It's more work for the viewer, IMO. Also, for the tl:dr crowd, they are probably not going to click on links and spoiler tags. If I have the embed video, all they gotta do is click on it. I usually keep it to about 4 videos per post, sometimes six. I won't be loading up posts with 20+ vids. For my one journal, that's also why I'm working on a text-based list. That might be helpful for people who would want to explore that stuff without sifting through my words or vids that hang up their computer. I dunno. We'll see where things take me.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

There is no limit, it's common sense.

And this became a thing when SOMEONE here posted 208 youtube links (I counted) over 20 entries.

If you're not going to do anywhere near amount that you have nothing to worry about

If I get to 207, I will start a "Part II"

. I keed.

Unknown Soldier · 02-19-2015, 04:42 PM

Everytime I flash read this thread, I see things like AMD six-core Phenom II and have no idea what you mob are on about.

Neapolitan · 02-19-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by aux-in

If I get to 207, I will start a "Part II"

. I keed.

I think UH? meant in the 20 posts made there were a total of 208 embedded YouTube videos, that's ~ 10.4 videos per posts.

The Batlord · 02-20-2015, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

I rarely use videos anymore. I feel my writing should say enough about the music without having to "draw pictures" with video. After all, if someone really wants to hear what you're writing about, YouTube is only a click away...

Actually it's a click, typing in an URL, typing in a search, and then another click. Or you can just post a video so all I have to do is click. Much of the time when I click on a video here, I'm not beating down the door to listen to it; it's just kinda there, I'm kinda interested, and there's nothing between me and my idle curiosity except for a *click*. But if there's no video, and I'm not really familiar with what you're talking about, nine times out of ten I'm not going to care enough to go that far out of my way no matter how well you describe it.

And what are you talking about, "having to 'draw pictures' with a video"? Are you saying that the music actually interferes with your article about the music?

Trollheart · 02-20-2015, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Actually it's a click, typing in an URL, typing in a search, and then another click. Or you can just post a video so all I have to do is click. Much of the time when I click on a video here, I'm not beating down the door to listen to it; it's just kinda there, I'm kinda interested, and there's nothing between me and my idle curiosity except for a *click*. But if there's no video, and I'm not really familiar with what you're talking about, nine times out of ten I'm not going to care enough to go that far out of my way no matter how well you describe it.

And what are you talking about, "having to 'draw pictures' with a video"? Are you saying that the music actually interferes with your article about the music?

How many times a day do people go to YT and watch videos? It's not like you're asking them to eat ten raw pigs for breakfast. If they want to do it, they can do it. Nobody's forcing them to.

And I'm talking about the fact that some people seem to think that you have to illustrate your article by including videos, in other words, that the writing isn't enough. That's what I mean by drawing pictures. The description should be enough to draw the picture, otherwise why bother? You might as well just put up the video and say here, click this. Certainly it can add to the experience but I've found that some people might just read a few lines and then hit the video, which sort of negates all the effort you've put into the writing.

Anyhoo, I couldn't care less. I'm not saying don't use YTs, I'm just saying I stopped using them for that reason. I feel my writing should be adequate enough to draw a picture without having to actually, you know, draw a picture. If you read a description of music in a book, do you then need to rush to YT to hear what it's like? Often the words can form enough of a description on their own, which is what I try to do.

**Frownland** · 02-18-2015, 11:30 PM

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...r-edition.html

It's what the people want, Trollheart.

Key · 02-19-2015, 09:20 AM

Seeing another journal by Trollheart would be exhausting in a good way. He has plenty for me to read from, I don't know what i'd do if he made another one. Just throwing that out there.

02-19-2015, 01:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,996	I believe Urban mentioned a limit of three videos per entry that could be unspoilered, but I don't know what's official. As I say, I don't use them anymore, at least in album reviews, and if they're in any other article it's probably just one. If it's a list or something, like "What's in a name" or "Variations on a theme", I would always spoiler them all. I mean, how long does it take to click the button to see the video? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

02-18-2015, 11:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...r-edition.html It's what the people want, Trollheart. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

02-19-2015, 09:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	Seeing another journal by Trollheart would be exhausting in a good way. He has plenty for me to read from, I don't know what i'd do if he made another one. Just throwing that out there.