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Old 11-25-2014, 05:47 PM   #761 (permalink)
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Also that Venom album came out in 1984 and not 1983.
Weird. I see different release dates for it. Metal Archives and Wikipedia say '84, but a bunch of other sources say '83. Confused.

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And the second Manowar album is probably their poorest for their very early phase as well.
You're out of your ****ing mind. Manowar's second album might just be their creative peak. After that they slowly went further and further toward self-parody. That album is one of the most epic (as in Viking-epic) records I've ever heard. The slower tempo and emphasis on heaviness, along with the fantasy atmosphere, was and is pretty unique and powerful. I always think of it being to Bathory's Hammerheart, what Conan the Barbarian is to Lord of the Rings. It might not be entirely consistent, but most Manowar albums aren't.

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It's Breaking The Chains by Dokken isn't it.
Oh, **** that! I've said it in the past, but if he puts god damn Dokken over Manowar and Mercyful Fate, I am boycotting this ****ing journal.
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Old 11-25-2014, 06:21 PM   #762 (permalink)
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You guys are forgetting the most important one of all...

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Except US doesn't do EPs.
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Except US doesn't do EPs.
Yeah, but just threw that in there for the fun of it. Wonder where The Warning will end up for '84....
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Motorhead didn't make the 20 and weren't Suicidal Tendencies hardcore at this time? Can't stand listening to King Diamond but do like Don't Break the Oath so should try and include it for 1984. Also that Venom album came out in 1984 and not 1983. And the second Manowar album is probably their poorest for their very early phase as well.

Manilla Road highly original, whereas Krokus were an AC/DC knock-off, even though they were better than AC/DC at this time.

Between the two of you, you have seven of the final eight albums and the one album missing is the next one coming up.
Well that's a relief, we may be miles apart on AC/DC & Iron Maiden, but at least we converge on King Diamond. You think that the devil would be able to find a more masculine sounding minion on the mic, I mind as well be listening to Lita Ford or Lee Aarron when I listen to him.

Speaking of which, I'm predicting your next album to be Satan Court in the Act, cheers
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It's Breaking The Chains by Dokken isn't it.
Probably the second worst release of the year.

I've probably exaggerated with that, but I was distinctly unimpressed with that album when I listened to it. I saw that it originally came out in Europe in 1981 and didn't get a US release till 1983!

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Weird. I see different release dates for it. Metal Archives and Wikipedia say '84, but a bunch of other sources say '83. Confused.
Well I'll include it for 1984 and it's probably the only Venom album that I really like.

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You're out of your ****ing mind. Manowar's second album might just be their creative peak. After that they slowly went further and further toward self-parody. That album is one of the most epic (as in Viking-epic) records I've ever heard. The slower tempo and emphasis on heaviness, along with the fantasy atmosphere, was and is pretty unique and powerful. I always think of it being to Bathory's Hammerheart, what Conan the Barbarian is to Lord of the Rings. It might not be entirely consistent, but most Manowar albums aren't.
Hell I tried to pull a fast one there, as I was fed up with everybody guessing all the albums in the top 8 Of course it's really on the list with me being a big Manowar fan.

As for their creative best I'll say yes, even though Hail to England is my favourite along with some of their later 1980's releases.

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Oh, **** that! I've said it in the past, but if he puts god damn Dokken over Manowar and Mercyful Fate, I am boycotting this ****ing journal.
...but I certainly didn't try to pull a fast one with Mercyful Fate, it was a struggle to listen to it, despite the fact it's constantly namechecked as being an inspiration to bands like Slayer at this time.

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You guys are forgetting the most important one of all...
I was never impressed with early Queensryche, but given how you go on about them, this album will get my full attention when I listen for 1984. Also to be fair I haven't listen to that album in like 6 years and my metal tastes have changed a lot in that time, so now anything is possible.

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Well that's a relief, we may be miles apart on AC/DC & Iron Maiden, but at least we converge on King Diamond. You think that the devil would be able to find a more masculine sounding minion on the mic, I mind as well be listening to Lita Ford or Lee Aarron when I listen to him.

Speaking of which, I'm predicting your next album to be Satan Court in the Act, cheers
Kind Diamond I actually like for about a song or two but after that...............

That Satan album is down for 1984, but now I've seen it came out in 1983 so my Kerrang book is wrong
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08. Manowar Into Glory Ride 1983 (Megaforce Records)
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Manowar’s debut album Battle Hymns was a strong if clichéd metal album, that had a heavy rock ‘n’ roll tinge a la Kiss to it (see review) but it also contained the band’s first two epic meandering metal tracks in “Dark Avenger” and the title track “Battle Hymns” two songs that clocked just under 7 minutes each and displayed the type of metal that the band wore closest to their hearts, and that was metal of the loudest and most epic proportions. The former had used the the voice of Orson Welles and showed some strong touches of doom metal, despite containing a number of flaws for a lengthy track and the latter track was the stronger of the two demonstrating the true direction of the band for their next album. So it was hardly a surprise that their second album Into Glory Ride, would feature six tracks between 5 and 8 minutes of running time and these tracks would also be epic showcases of the band’s sound at this time. The only oddity on the album is the opener “Warlord” which really belongs on the debut and not here, it kind of reminds me of “Invaders” on Iron Maiden’s The Number of the Beast album, as a song that just didn’t really fit on that album either. It was also around this time that Manowar could be described as a genuine celebration of true heavy metal with established clichés and all, but the band though put their metal credentials on the line from the word go, by posing for the album cover in their warrior loin-clothes and swords. They also managed to sign a new record deal as well with Megaforce Records, by opening up their own veins with ceremonial daggers and using their own blood to sign the deal wow! Resident expert here The Batlord describes Manowar as being like Conan the Barbarian to the more sophisticated Tolkien works, a good analogy indeed. Into Glory Ride is an album mostly penned by bassist Joey DeMaio and it’s steeped in Norse mythology making it a true Viking metal classic, before the sub-genre became a centrepiece of the Nordic metal scene still several years down the line. Despite the album’s somewhat weak production, Eric Adams’ five-and-a-half octave range voice makes the turntable creak as he wades through the six bombastic tracks on the album, but possibly the showstopper here is that of new drummer the big pounding Scott Columbus, who came into replace Donnie Hamzik on the drum stool and this man mountain supposedly hit the drums so hard that conventional drum kits would break beneath his strength, forcing him to use a custom built set. All this kind of reminds me of when Keith Moon first auditioned for the Who all those years ago! The six album epics start with the “Secret of Steel” which starts with a drum intro and it’s a sluggish ultra-heavy track and Eric Adam’s vocals perfectly match the tempo of the song, and the whole process is spiced up by Joey DeMaio. Its fellow 5 minute track “Gloves of Metal” has a distinctly Iron Maiden feel, as Eric Adam’s seems to be singing about clichéd metal attire in a nod to Rob Halford & Co. and the song’s galloping style makes it one of the most melodic on show here. Now things get truly epic with “Gates of Valhalla” a song designed to show the bombastic side of the band in all their glory. The same can’t be said though for “Hatred” which is an extended effort that really doesn’t go anywhere and sounds similar to an Ozzy sung Black Sabbath track in certain sections. “Revelation (Death’s Angel)” is probably the most complete track on the album, as it seems to pull all the glorious aspects of the band’s sound together and could in many ways be described as the perfect Manowar track. “March for Revenge (By the Soldiers of Death)” isn’t for me as good as the closing “Battle Hymns” on the previous album and despite being the most ambitious track on the album, shows that the band were entering slightly deeper water here. Overall Into Glory Ride would be the band at their most creative and they were totally dedicated here in what they were doing, before they entered into their best known period that would start on their next album Hail to England. The band also continued being the prime motivators behind not just the power metal genre at this time, but also a number of other metal genres that liked the taste of epic sounding metal as well, making them pretty groundbreaking in what they were doing around this time. Like the Manilla Road album above it of which it shares some kind of spiritual brotherhood, this album is also ranked in Rock Hard magazine's list of ‘The 500Greatest Rock & Metal Albums of All Time’ which certainly shows the taste of those that did that list.

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"March for Revenge" is actually one of my favorites on the album. The riffs and drumming are the perfect sound of an army on the march, and Eric Adam's singing is none-more-epic. But the best is that soft interlude with Adams going on about his fallen comrade, and then when it builds back... it's one of the all-time great moments of metal cheese.
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I found Into Glory Ride to be extremely fucking boring. Battle Hymns on the other hand was fucking amazing.
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I found Into Glory Ride to be extremely fucking boring. Battle Hymns on the other hand was fucking amazing.
Into Glory Ride... is probably their least accessible album, and I wasn't that big a fan when I was younger, but over the years it's become one of my favorite Manowar albums. It's heavy, it's epic, and if it weren't so goofy, I'd actually be able to take it seriously.
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