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I never once said that was okay, did I? I'm asking why are people unable to stand up for themselves?

Agree 100%, so I don't see why we are arguing?

I'm not judging, I'm inquiring as to how a grown ass person would say "yes, I consent to you masturbating in front of me," rather than telling him to fuck off.

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If you, as a mature adult, with free will and half a brain, are too stupid to tell another person, who is posing no threat of physical harm to you, that you are okay with them masturbating in front of you, then don't bitch about your bad decision later.

Was it okay what Louis C.K. did? NO!

It was fucked up. But did these grown ass women have to sit there and consent to it? NO!

They're BOTH fucking idiots in my opinion. It's not like these were children or mentally handicapped that he was coercing into it, these were mature consenting adults.

It may as well be okay to say that someone raped you just because you regret having slept with them. THAT is how you guys are treating CONSENT in this situation. And you are wrong for doing so.

adidasss

Noooo Donald...nooooo...

As much as it might be difficult for you to understand, you have to try and place yourself in the position of people who might not think like you, or have very different considerations (for one thing, never forget that you are a male and therefore immediately in a more privileged position). In the case of Louis C.K., as was widely covered, the women involved were mostly aspiring comics like himself who looked up to him and were probably reluctant to jeopardize their careers by speaking up or declining his "request". After all, he was and continues to be a powerful white man (probably with a team of very good lawyers behind him) meaning he was not just a random stranger on the street asking if he could masturbate in front of them. Most probably if that was the case all of them would have acted like you describe above.

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I see where you're coming from Marijan, but would they still be mad if it had furthered their careers? They consented, didn't get what they thought they would out of the deal, so they regretted it. Tough shit. You go to a restaurant, order food, eat it, then decide that you didn't want it after all, that's not the restaurant's fault. It was a skeezy move on Louis' part, but I don't feel bad for these grown adult women.

adidasss

Probably they would and should be mad that they have to do something like that to further their careers.

What is really shocking for me in this whole story is that the general consensus was apparently that men in power could do pretty much whatever they wanted with impunity. This is the only reason why he acted the way he did. Only now, finally, after all of these women have found the courage to speak up, has there been a radical shift in the paradigm. So hopefully people like Louis will think twice before they decide to abuse their power.

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There are plenty of people who aren't in a position of power that have the same urges and do the same fucked up shit, likewise, there are people in power that don't choose to abuse it in any way whatsoever. Who knows why he did what he did. I think that chalking it up to just being a straight white male in a position of privilege is a bit short-sighted. Maybe he has some weird sexual fetish or mental disorder that caused him to want to jerk off in front of people.

That being said, people abusing their authority is nothing new [#PrimaNocta]. It is nice to see that it is no longer being tolerated [at least in this specific arena]. Perhaps this new found sense of empowerment will spread to other areas and we can root out the evils that have been plaguing our governmental, judicial and economical institutions as well.

But I still stand by the fact that I don't feel sorry for people who consent to watching a dude jerk off and then cry about it afterward. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Key

So you're just assuming it was consensual and that's your reasoning to back up your supposed claim? Once again, and I don't think you realize, but you're singling out the victim in this case and giving reason to the abuser. I have too much emotional investment in this particular topic (not you specifically) so I don't plan on discussing this much further. You've already stated how you feel, I disagree. I'm leaving it there before I get too invested in the conversation.

Frownland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_culture

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Well, when you ask someone if it is okay for you to jerk off in front of them and they reply in the affirmative, how in the FUCK is that not consensual? I'm not "assuming" anything, that is LITERALLY what happened, according to Louis and ALL of the women involved.