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I never once said that was okay, did I? I'm asking why are people unable to stand up for themselves?

Agree 100%, so I don't see why we are arguing?

I'm not judging, I'm inquiring as to how a grown ass person would say "yes, I consent to you masturbating in front of me," rather than telling him to fuck off.

If you, as a mature adult, with free will and half a brain, are too stupid to tell another person, who is posing no threat of physical harm to you, that you are okay with them masturbating in front of you, then don't bitch about your bad decision later.

Was it okay what Louis C.K. did? NO!

It was fucked up. But did these grown ass women have to sit there and consent to it? NO!

They're BOTH fucking idiots in my opinion. It's not like these were children or mentally handicapped that he was coercing into it, these were mature consenting adults.

It may as well be okay to say that someone raped you just because you regret having slept with them. THAT is how you guys are treating CONSENT in this situation. And you are wrong for doing so.

Noooo Donald...nooooo...

As much as it might be difficult for you to understand, you have to try and place yourself in the position of people who might not think like you, or have very different considerations (for one thing, never forget that you are a male and therefore immediately in a more privileged position). In the case of Louis C.K., as was widely covered, the women involved were mostly aspiring comics like himself who looked up to him and were probably reluctant to jeopardize their careers by speaking up or declining his "request". After all, he was and continues to be a powerful white man (probably with a team of very good lawyers behind him) meaning he was not just a random stranger on the street asking if he could masturbate in front of them. Most probably if that was the case all of them would have acted like you describe above.

I see where you're coming from Marijan, but would they still be mad if it had furthered their careers? They consented, didn't get what they thought they would out of the deal, so they regretted it. Tough shit. You go to a restaurant, order food, eat it, then decide that you didn't want it after all, that's not the restaurant's fault. It was a skeezy move on Louis' part, but I don't feel bad for these grown adult women.

Probably they would and should be mad that they have to do something like that to further their careers.

What is really shocking for me in this whole story is that the general consensus was apparently that men in power could do pretty much whatever they wanted with impunity. This is the only reason why he acted the way he did. Only now, finally, after all of these women have found the courage to speak up, has there been a radical shift in the paradigm. So hopefully people like Louis will think twice before they decide to abuse their power.

There are plenty of people who aren't in a position of power that have the same urges and do the same fucked up shit, likewise, there are people in power that don't choose to abuse it in any way whatsoever. Who knows why he did what he did. I think that chalking it up to just being a straight white male in a position of privilege is a bit short-sighted. Maybe he has some weird sexual fetish or mental disorder that caused him to want to jerk off in front of people.

That being said, people abusing their authority is nothing new [#PrimaNocta]. It is nice to see that it is no longer being tolerated [at least in this specific arena]. Perhaps this new found sense of empowerment will spread to other areas and we can root out the evils that have been plaguing our governmental, judicial and economical institutions as well.

But I still stand by the fact that I don't feel sorry for people who consent to watching a dude jerk off and then cry about it afterward. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So you're just assuming it was consensual and that's your reasoning to back up your supposed claim? Once again, and I don't think you realize, but you're singling out the victim in this case and giving reason to the abuser. I have too much emotional investment in this particular topic (not you specifically) so I don't plan on discussing this much further. You've already stated how you feel, I disagree. I'm leaving it there before I get too invested in the conversation.

Well, when you ask someone if it is okay for you to jerk off in front of them and they reply in the affirmative, how in the FUCK is that not consensual? I'm not "assuming" anything, that is LITERALLY what happened, according to Louis and ALL of the women involved.

Disagree.

Well aren't you clever.

Aren't indeed.

Have they all been deemed as consensual? That I just plain don't know. However, you've still got a thorn in your side as to why the victims never stand up for themselves. You don't know what kind of power someone else has over them and actually this particular case could also be used as an example. Louis CK is a famous guy, who knows what he told them in order to get them to consent, and tons upon tons of things can be used to keep someone from running away. Again, it's not just black and white.

He LITERALLY just asked them. That's his side of the story. That's the side of the story of all of the women involved. This is fact. Some women said no and scolded him, which is what all of them should have done, because it is a stupid thing to ask in the first place. The only people I respect in this story are the women who told him no. Louis and all of the idiots who agreed to let someone jerk off in front of them can go get fucked for their stupidity.

I Always like Gabriel Iglesius aka Fluffy.All his specials are funny. I got to see him live last year and frankly like his sense of humour. I just prefer humour where you make make light fun of yourself or everyday events rather than make fun of others. That humour gets a bit tiring.

Disagree.

I'm done here. Carry on.

Agree

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There you go, just like you do with Chula and everyone else. Bait them and then pull the holier than thou mod shit.

Discussing ideas is against the rules. Name calling is. Remember that moving forward. Thanks

Sure thing Sherlock.

That was the quickest "lemme bait them then ban them" attempt I've ever seen at this forum. You've set a new record, Frown.

Pretty pathetic, right?

No respect whatsoever for Merit anymore at this point

This would be some valuable reading for you:

https://psychcentral.com/blog/victim...g-and-blaming/

@Merit It's frown. What do you expect?

Confronting people's ideas=/=baiting

Having someone challenge what's clearly a pretty weak idea is no excuse for name calling.

No worries man

At least Louis C.K. asked permission. I'm pretty sure Froundland is jerking off at his own cleverness without even giving us a heads up.

Very mature.

You're not a VICTIM if you are a mature adult who is under no threat of physical harm and you give consent :bonkhead:

Ok good so I'm not the only one here that thinks he's nuts.

About as mature as making up quotes, attributing them to someone else, then replying to them to stroke your own ego.

Telling someone that they're not even a victim sure does remind me of victim blaming.

How could they know there was no threat of harm? Someone capable of physically overpowering them had them alone in a room making unwanted sexual advances. I can’t think of many situations that would be more terrifying. They were probably paralyzed in fear and didn’t know what else to do besides let him do it. But nah big macho Merit thinks the women should have Rambo nut-kicked him and parachuted away while the building exploded behind them. That’s not how the world or people ****ing work

Tell me which part of consenting mature adult with no mental or physical handicap who is under no threat of violence or harm who gives consent of their own volition makes them a "victim"?

Go ahead. I'll wait.

By being under implied threat of violence that is very common in that type of situation. The world is not as black and white as you're trying to make it out to be.

You are directly putting the fault on the women as a way to take the heat off of Louis. That's victim blaming. Just embrace it, dude.

You wanna know why this **** pisses me off? Because I've personally experienced it. If you never have, you can't possibly imagine the mental trauma that comes before, during, and after. I went to therapy for years. Now stop with this holier than thou bs. I'm asking nicely.

I didn't want to resort to being openly honest but you left me no choice.