Putting legendary Pokemon in your team is for noobs. ****ing loser tbh. And I never liked 1st tier type moves like Blizzard or Thunder that were OP but had decent chances to miss. I'd rather have a slightly weaker attack that is guaranteed to hit and doesn't make you hold your breath just before it hits or doesn't hit.

Ice Beam > Blizzard

I definitely agree. Groudon was one of the few exceptions because it was my first time playing through Ruby and I just loved how powerful he could be. Usually I stick to my starter and 5 others without legendaries. And sometimes I'll use an HM slave but that rarely happens.

I don't like HM slaves cause I want a six-Pokemon team. I'll go Cut-less or Flash-less if I have to. It's not like you actually need Flash anyway.

Yeah plus you rarely ever need cut. Fly is probably the most useful one next to maybe surf or waterfall.

Nah Fly is by far the most useful. If you're training your Pokemon and doing random **** Fly is constantly used and Surf is only used when you're getting to some spot on the ocean that you can't get to with Fly. And how many times do you ever actually use Waterfall? It's the next gen Flash.

It's used heavily in gen 3 from what I remember but otherwise not so much. Ok yeah you're right, fly is indeed most useful. Plus it doubles as a pretty strong flying attack. I loved having a pidgeot with fly.

using legendary pokemon is definitely for noobs

the dumbest hm is a tie between waterfall and dive because like i already need surf stop making me have 3 hms for various water related activities

Yeah that's a really good point. They could have easily just kept it at Surf and added on different things you can do while Surfing instead of making them into more HM's.

I forget about Dive but Waterfall doesn't even do anything different as an attack. It's just a good water attack that doesn't do as much damage as surf. The only reason to have it for battles is if you're worried about running out of PP for the Elite Four when you're still in the 50-65 level area.

Man I miss the grind that it took to get your pokemon to proper levels for the elite four in these games. The later games it got a bit easier but the elite four in these ones, especially the originals, we're hard as ****. Lance and Blue were both tough.