The Batlord

That's just pointlessly inconvenient though.

But then...

Huh.

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Frownland

I'm sure this will only entrench his belief in an elaborate Anti-Trollheart conspiracy, but

*fist bump*

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Trollheart

Look, you two can fist bump all you want, does not bother me in the slightest. But I won't be instigating something here purely on the say-so of you two. Let's see who else agrees. If we're counting, we're 2-2 at the minute. I'd prefer to get all this sorted so we can get down to actually running the thread, instead of endlessly bitching about what's going to be in it. if it was up to me, I'd leave it at just decades.

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Frownland

Same. This is what makes your conceited stubborness to not consider mine and Batlord's points especially infuriating. Please leave it behind as you read the next paragraph.

A case for network lists: The 90s onward really established certain networks as cartoon channels and mainstays of the field, namely Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network (which can be divided into Cartoon Cartoon and Adult Swim), and potentially Nicktoons. I simply don't think that 20 a decade could encompass all of the shows from these networks appropriately, and a wild card option--while not a bad idea and one that I think we should use for any additional shows people might want on here--doesn't seem like a better alternative since it'll be more of a miscellaneous set instead of an actual theme, which I think would make the rounds a lot more interesting. I think you might just not be aware of how relevant to the cartoon world the attachment to the networks is since you aren't American and it was outside of your generation.

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Trollheart

Right. I had not seen your last post prior to making that one, so let's look at it. There's fault on both sides. Well, three sides really. First we have this typical comment by Batty, after a pretty reasonable, I thought, explanation why I was against networks and was considering another approach.

So that's kind of inflammatory in itself, though in fairness my reply was unwarranted, even if I was angry because Batty constantly does this. I mean, on what is he basing the fact that "everyone else likes them"? But nevertheless, not cool. I apologise for flying off the handle a little.
Then we have you adding to the pot
This next one was okay until you started SHOUTING which as I said is rude and uncalled for.
I don't call shouting at me being calm and reasoned, tbh. But I'm not blameless either.

I'm definitely not doing three lists though. That's right out.



It is, if all you're offering is your opinion as being the only one that matters. You haven't even addressed the fact that, even if we did networks too, it would still be what you call leftovers, so what's the point?
So what? Life is inconvenient. Where do you expect me to put the list? Top of every post I do? Do me a favour. Just mark it and you can go back to it as you need it. Anyway, once the lists are decided I will, as I already said, put them in the OP. No point in doing so now, as they're still subject to change.

I'd prefer not to be fighting. It pisses me off. But I won't be steamrollered into just accepting your ideas as the only ones. I want to see who else thinks this way, which is really only fair. And I don't want to be given a whole bunch of extra work. I don't hear either of you volunteering to do the lists, do I? It's easy to suggest things when someone else is going to do all the work.

Let's see, as I said, what the consensus is. Not just me, not just you, not just Batty. Everyone. This isn't just my thread, or yours, or his. Let's try to get the views of everyone who cares to comment and see what's preferred, and we can go from there. Fair?

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Frownland

I was just trying to get your attention because I had mentioned it several times and you continually ignored it.


I imagine we'll be doing several different lists.

Not exactly, because it's a coherent and unambiguous category.

You can add it to the OP and mention that it's a work in progress. Problem solved. You're going to have a lot of people making redundant lists/items if what we have so far is in the middle of this thread and spread across several posts.

Then try having a discussion. You joined a discussion forum, follow through.

You have yet to provide a good argument against it that wasn't a misunderstanding of the premise. Huh, weird how that goes.

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Trollheart

I don't see where. Nevertheless, rude.

As long as it's we, and not just me.
Done.

I'm trying to; it's not easy when you two just say "we want it" and assume that's the end of the argument. It isn't. As I said, several times already, let's see what others have to say.
My main argument against it is the amount of work it entails and also that yet again I have to remind you that of everyone who has posted here, only, so far as I can see, you and Batty are putting this idea forward. I had plenty of ideas, which were decent ones for categories, as I mentioned in the first few posts, but they were overruled for the decades thing, which I agreed with. So it's not like I'm being unreasonable. We should go with what the majority wants, not just two people, or one. Would you not agree with that?

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Frownland

I think people either don't care, don't want to throw themselves into this long discussion, or even know that it's a point of discussion since it's buried under a bunch of accusations of rudeness and such. I will help with compiling once we decide what to do, of course, as I already have been.

Thoughts on this?

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Trollheart

We're still at a stalemate of 2 for, 2 against, so at the moment I don't feel it's got sufficient support to go through all the extra work. I take your point about the network thing, but it seems a lot of extra work that nobody, except for you and Batty, actually want, and two people at least, don't.

If you or someone else wants to submit a list of network categories with cartoons I have no problem with that. I don't intend however putting a lot of work into something for which I don't see a need, and nobody else other than you two have advocated.

I appreciate you pleading your case, as it were, but I really feel that the lack of visible support for it shows that nobody really cares other than Batty and yourself. I'd be happy enough to go with what we have. This thread has already taken too long to get actually going, which is what I think most people are more interested in, rather than arguing the merits of this or that.

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Frownland

If I compile a Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network (Cartoon Cartoon) and Nicktoons with a repost of my adult swim list it'll be cool? If it's the work you're worried about I'll take it on.

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