Or maybe it's kind of hard to give a **** about the mountain ranges of Middle Earth.

Those books were intended as works of fiction, however. The Bible is intended as history (most of the Old Testament, some of the New) and philosophy (most of the New, some of the Old). Sure, its veracity is questionable, but an inaccurate history is still non-fiction.

We now know that much of On the Origin of Species is incorrect. Should it be classified as fiction?

It the whole Bible was a carbon copy of the first chapter of Genesis, you'd be right.

To quote Hilaire Belloc: "The whole story of Europe, her various realms and states and general bodies during the last sixteen centuries has mainly turned upon the successive heresies arising in the Christian world." In my mind, one needs to understand Christian philosophy in order to appreciate that story. Whether you read the Bible itself or some scholar's interpretation doesn't really matter, but I included the original source.

EDIT: Should add that similar reasoning could be used to justify the Quran's placement on my list.

You really don't. There's enough information about Christianity around from movies, other books, novels, and of course the Church themselves that I imagine the percentage of people who have actually read the Bible - as in, read it all the way through, not just a few passages - other than the clergy obviously - would be exceptionally small. And yet we all know about Christianity and the Crusades and Jesus and Pilate and the Crucifixion and all that stuff.

Absolutely not essential reading. Do you need to read Mein Kampf to learn about Hitler? Or The Origin of Species to know about Darwin? This stuff is readily available from other sources, multiple sources. By all means, read the Bible if you want, or feel you need to, but don't quote it as a book everyone should or needs to read, cos that just is not true.

I think you're low balling the importance of reading primary sources.

It's not just about collecting the facts. It's a matter of getting a feel for the real thing. With Hitler, Darwin, Marx, Freud - reading their actual words takes you more into their minds. In my case, I read that stuff and only marginally understood most of it- but I think it was worthwhile to wade through those waters while I still had the energy. Maybe I was kidding myself but I felt like I was building a foundation.

I agree that you don't need to read every single book—skip most of the Old Testament if you want—and perhaps my post should have reflected that.

As I said:

However, I believe it's always better to go straight to the source if you want to understand something.

This is sort of what I'm trying to say.

Think of it this way: If Donald Trump passes a new executive order, what's the best way to understand it? To read the text of the executive order—or at least an objective analysis. It's the same with the Bible. I know you're no fan of religion—and believe me, neither am I—but that book has shaped the world we live in today. Just look at the conflicts that have arisen over its interpretation in your own country. Name a book that has had a greater influence on the history of the world.

Fox in Socks.

(I've bet dozens of people through the years to try and read the entire book out loud without tripping and no-one has ever taken my cash - that's pretty damn significant)

Mr. Knox. Now come now. Come now.
You don't have to be so dumb now...

I don't see how reading a religious propaganda "novel" with witches and goblins and fairies helps you understand history. Most of it could never have happened in reality - people rising from the dead? Seas parting? Give me a break.
Any Harry Potter book, Lord of the Rings, the Dictionary, or, to be serious, A Christmas Carol, or any Dickens work. The Prince. Nineteen-Eighty Four. I could go on.

I will.

Sherlock Holmes series changed how we think about police/detective work. HP Lovecraft and Poe brought horror into the mainstream. Tons of others. All the Bible is is a big fat book that tells you what to do, and as I say, I can guarantee you the smallest percentage of Christians have ever even opened the damn thing.

It seems like you're worried that you'll get swept up into propaganda just by reading it. Just read it with a critical eye.

Nah, their propaganda don't work on me. I actually tried to read it once, long ago. Bored the arse off me. You'd think a collaboration between four of Jesus's top men, they could have at least made it a cracking read, wouldn't you?

Those books have had more impact than the bible? That's either ignorance or utter closemindedness, TH. Negative impact is still impact.

Not sure it belongs on a must read list as it's been a few years and my memory is kind of fuzzy but I enjoyed The World According to Garp.

It's definately worth a read. The 40 guys who wrote it over the course of a 1,500 year span did a nice job of keeping a fictional tale going.

P.S. To add perspective, 1,500 years ago from today was year 517.

Great book.

Never said the "miracles" and myths helped you understand history. Being able to understand Christian ideology does.

All great books. Dickens had an impact on Victorian society and how we think about the poor. Lovecraft and Poe influenced 20th-century literature. Orwell changed the way we think about our government. But how many of them started a series of wars that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people? Did they fuel conflicts between England and Scotland? Is there an American "Sherlock Holmes" belt that votes red in every election?

The bottom line is that I think the world would be a better place if everybody understood Christianity and Islam from their roots, not from appearances.

First LOTR book since The Children of Hurin in 10 years?! I bought that when it came out and it was awesome, but how the **** has it been ten years? Might have to snatch this new one up.

By which of course you mean download it for free.

No, I mean buy that **** in hardcover.

A book you absolutely need to read. Horror.
 

Can't believe this has never been made into a movie.

http://www.robertmccammon.com/images/stinger_50_pb.jpg

this definitely needed its own thread

What's it about? What's so special about it?

One of only I think 3 books I started and couldn't stop until the final page.