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Old 05-20-2017, 04:40 PM   #111 (permalink)
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2. "Non-fiction" does not mean the same thing as factual. If it did, Nietzsche and Plato would have to be removed from the list.
I think "made up" is a sufficient qualifier.
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There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:46 PM   #112 (permalink)
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I read that boring **** as well. It's not exactly fiction, is it?
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:49 PM   #113 (permalink)
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I read that boring **** as well. It's not exactly fiction, is it?
The **** else would it be? And The Silmarillion is awesome.
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:51 PM   #114 (permalink)
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I think "made up" is a sufficient qualifier.
Would you classify philosophy as fiction?

EDIT: Read The Silmarillion when I was a Tolkien nut. God, it was dry.
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Old 05-20-2017, 04:57 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Would you classify philosophy as fiction?

EDIT: Read The Silmarillion when I was a Tolkien nut. God, it was dry.
Plenty of fiction has philosophy. But it's fiction cause it makes up stories.
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1. Whether or not you agree with the ideas in the Bible and the Quran, they have shaped the world. Without understanding those ideas, you cannot understand the history of the past 2000 years. It would be like trying to understand the history of the Soviet Union without reading the Communist Manifesto.

2. "Non-fiction" does not mean the same thing as factual. If it did, Nietzsche and Plato would have to be removed from the list.
Well I've never read it and I know enough about history by reading, you know, history, not some (as Batty says) made-up half-fairytale crap. Stuff like that poisons the perception, I feel. I certainly wouldn't want someone to read that and think "Gee! There really was a Garden of Eden?" As close to fiction as it gets.
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The **** else would it be? And The Silmarillion is awesome.
But very hard to get through.
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But very hard to get through.
Not for me. I loved every bit of it. Pure world building.
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Not for me. I loved every bit of it. Pure world building.
Too many names, battles, places, not enough action if I remember.
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Too many names, battles, places, not enough action if I remember.
Well I guess if you're some basic plebe who can't read a book without action scenes every three pages...
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The **** else would it be? And The Silmarillion is awesome.
I checked it's considered fiction. I thought of it more like a book about a fictitious world. Like if another author wrote an encyclopedia on the universe of Tolkien.

Sort of like a Dungeons and Dragons Monster Manual or like a module. Not exactly but sort of.
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