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Hip-Hop Homework 12-17-2015 10:43 AM

The Force Awakens...opinion
 
So I got invited to a prescreening last night.

I'ma fan, I know the diehards out there all uniformly hate the same things but I don't fall victim to the sway of mass opinion...I like to think for myself.

Anyway, I digress. The point I wanna make is that while most fans of the series hate Episode I off the strength of an annoying character who acts like a social reject from New Orleans' French Quarter...as though people don't have the mental faculties to tune annoyances out and enjoy the rest of the ride--I'ma fan and appreciate all the movies in the series. And with that said--BRACE YOURSELF!!

I found this Disney rendition to be kinda disappointing and at times boring for an array of personal reasons, of which I will not elaborate until a later time.

I don't wanna influence opinions but please be warned. Manage your expectations because if you go in there with a more-or-less neutral set of expectations, there's a chance you might be able to enjoy it having emotionally prepared adequately.

I don't even know how I feel about this film tho. It's different in many ways...and you'll see.

I don't wanna criticize what I believe are flaws in the story/screenwriting and directorial mistakes for the sake of avoiding spoilers.

If anybody else has seen it, after the 18th maybe come back and we can discuss?

prisoner437x3y0 12-17-2015 06:29 PM

Hip Hop you made me so glad not hating the george lucas films. IT'S HIS CREATION FFS.
Seeing episode 1 as a kid was so awesome to me--liam neeson as obi wons trainer, darth maul, the pod racing. Thats a great star wars film i dont care what any of these hive mind dorks think.

The other films were great as well, seeing yoda fight was awesome, the clone army. I really don't know why people hate them so much. I could care less about the indiana jone-ish film movie magic bullcrap. Who cares. The set pieces were awesome and it encompassed the universe just fine.

I haven't seen this one yet, but I really don't care much for J.J. Abrams and don't understand the appeal. Most of his stuff honestly isn't that good, even if you look at aggregate ratings. I'm curious to see what he does with a sequel.

Hip-Hop Homework 12-17-2015 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by prisoner437x3y0 (Post 1661509)
Hip Hop you made me so glad not hating the george lucas films. IT'S HIS CREATION FFS.
Seeing episode 1 as a kid was so awesome to me--liam neeson as obi wons trainer, darth maul, the pod racing. Thats a great star wars film i dont care what any of these hive mind dorks think.

The other films were great as well, seeing yoda fight was awesome, the clone army. I really don't know why people hate them so much. I could care less about the indiana jone-ish film movie magic bullcrap. Who cares. The set pieces were awesome and it encompassed the universe just fine.

I haven't seen this one yet, but I really don't care much for J.J. Abrams and don't understand the appeal. Most of his stuff honestly isn't that good, even if you look at aggregate ratings. I'm curious to see what he does with a sequel.

fo' sho!!!

http://www.docspopuli.org/articles/F...es/PSMfist.jpg

UNITY!!!

Yeah, but by far and large...the body of his work isn't that impressive. I enjoyed MI:III, Super 8, and then the Lost Series (which was really uniquely done at the time...barring the conclusion of the series, it's still a good watch).

I don't wanna speak too much onnit right now but gaaaaah. So much to say after watching that. I just don't wanna be responsible for swaying people's opinions before they even get to the show yet. After this weekend tho...I'ma open up about how I really feel. People get 72 hours of my silence but after that--open season!

Neapolitan 12-17-2015 08:45 PM

I am going with a few of my friends to see it tomorrow. My one friend looked up every spoiler he could find online, he treated the whole thing like it was a research project. I saw every episode from I to VI - so there is already a familiarity with Star Wars universe, so that is enough for me. I only watch one review that promised no spoilers. It was by Chris Struckmann, and he rates it with IV, & V. I really don't want to know too much about the movie before I see it. I like to experience the suspense which only comes from not know what is going to happen next. It will be interesting to me how the movie unfolds and whether it holds up with the rest.

Spoiler for Stuckmann's review:

Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Movie Review
Chris Stuckmann


The Identity Matrix 12-17-2015 11:37 PM

Just got back from the premier and well... (I know I said something about no spoilers but is this an official discussion thread or what?)

Hip-Hop Homework 12-18-2015 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1661549)
Just got back from the premier and well... (I know I said something about no spoilers but is this an official discussion thread or what?)

I'm giving other forum members the courtesy of waiting. 'cause there is no actual spoiler alert so the unsuspecting, wayward, or sausage finger mouse clicker might accidentally happen upon this and it wouldn't be fair if they got hit.

I say come Sunday afternoon--it's open season.

Frownland 12-18-2015 12:26 AM

I heard that both Boba Fett and Darth Vadar are dead in this one. Is that true?

The Identity Matrix 12-18-2015 11:07 AM

I will wait... In the shadows... Come sunday...

I JUST REALLY WANT TO DISCUSS THIS MOVIE!!!!!

Tristan_Geoff 12-18-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1661560)
I heard that both Boba Fett and Darth Vadar are dead in this one. Is that true?

No. They left a giant plot hole open and both have major roles.

Hip-Hop Homework 12-18-2015 04:32 PM


Neapolitan 12-19-2015 02:51 AM

I've seen it today, 1 AM showing. Don't want to say anything cause of spoilers.

The Batlord 12-19-2015 03:34 PM

Alright, if you're dumb enough to click on a thread titled "The Force Awakens...opinion" without having actually seen the movie, then you are a moron. Be warned, I give no ****s about dropping spoilers...

This movie was a total disappointment. At least the three prequels failed while still being entertaining at times. This movie had pretty much zero memorable moments, and just never got going. I didn't care about the new characters, I didn't care about what they were doing, I didn't even care when Han died (if that spoiled the ending of the movie for you then you deserve it). The action scenes weren't even that good for the most part.

Good or bad, Star Wars has at least always been larger than life, but this movie just felt so small and flat. I can't even summon the energy to care enough to hate this movie, all I feel is indifference.

YorkeDaddy 12-19-2015 03:37 PM

It didn't blow me away but I thought it was really good. I thought Finn was a really cool character and Rey was serviceable enough. Harrison Ford was excellent every time he was on-screen. The villain was interesting enough although I wish he had kept his mask on for the climactic fights. The atmosphere and Star Wars feel (hard to explain) were all pretty much there for me which was the most important part imo. Definitely ranks below A New Hope and Empire but I think I liked it better than RotJ. Blows away the entire prequel trilogy which I'm sure most will agree with

The Batlord 12-19-2015 03:42 PM

I'd legitimately rather watch Phantom Menace over this movie. Probably Revenge of the Sith as well. Maybe not Attack of the Clones, but it's been so long since I've seen that ****show that I can't even remember how much I dislike it.

And no way in hell is it anywhere near as good as Return of the Jedi. Was there anything from The Force Awakens that you will remember as long as Jabba's palace and the rancor, or the final battle between Luke and Vader? I know a lot of people don't like the Ewoks, but they never bothered me.

grindy 12-19-2015 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1662057)
Alright, if you're dumb enough to click on a thread titled "The Force Awakens...opinion" without having actually seen the movie, then you are a moron. Be warned, I give no ****s about dropping spoilers...

This movie was a total disappointment. At least the three prequels failed while still being entertaining at times. This movie had pretty much zero memorable moments, and just never got going. I didn't care about the new characters, I didn't care about what they were doing, I didn't even care when Han died (if that spoiled the ending of the movie for you then you deserve it). The action scenes weren't even that good for the most part.

Good or bad, Star Wars has at least always been larger than life, but this movie just felt so small and flat. I can't even summon the energy to care enough to hate this movie, all I feel is indifference.

:laughing::clap:

I love how you spoil the **** out of the movie after all your nerdy whining about avoiding spoilers.

Hip-Hop Homework 12-19-2015 03:52 PM

Spoiler for spoiler:
I at least think the girl who played Rey has some on-screen charisma but she's not a credible portrait of a threat. Like I used to play lotsa sports and there's a certain way athletic people move given their biomechanical structure and you could tell she's not very athletic which lends no credence to the notion that she's a fighter.

Kylo Ren...this dude is a joke of a villain. Disney traded somebody who can actually do choreographed fight scenes for what I guess is the face of the standard of beauty now??? Girls are into dudes with long hair now, right??

I also think Disney was going out of their way to cater to the politically-correct demographic. Oh and then all the artificially-injected humor. Like Han's quips weren't enough...we had to go and adda bunch more "funny" scenes which came across more cheap tricks than anything. I don't have a problem with girls but there were so many superfluous inclusions of female (and male) speaking parts that in no-way added to the film, like the pilot scenes...there was so much pilot chatter and cut scenes to marginal characters. Even the female captain of the storm troopers. I thought she was gonna be a bad @$$...nope!! NOTHING. Couple marginal speaking parts and back to obscurity. You can tell that they wanna appeal the gender-neutrality crowd...who I doubt even constitute a sliver of the pie chart of the demographic of the star wars fan base.

And the plot...the plot is what killed a lot of the series' magic. It's basically a rehash of New Hope, but without any charismatic actors (barring Rey from that statement). There was nothing new, absolutely nothing new except for a reimagined light saber design and new storm trooper uniforms. Everything else has already been seen...

The great acting performances of Ewan McGregor? GONE!! Not even replaced. The awesome choreography? What's that???

I happen to think it's mostly a flop tho. I hate how just watered down all the action has become. There was like no fight choreography whatsoever. Like watching kids go out to the park with sticks and playing pirates.

Disney and JJ Abrams better get it together or pack their bags. I'm not feelin' Marvel films since Disney took over either.

I honestly don't even know where to begin pointing the finger 'cause so many things were wrong with this.

YorkeDaddy 12-19-2015 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1662061)
I'd legitimately rather watch Phantom Menace over this movie. Probably Revenge of the Sith as well. Maybe not Attack of the Clones, but it's been so long since I've seen that ****show that I can't even remember how much I dislike it.

And no way in hell is it anywhere near as good as Return of the Jedi. Was there anything from The Force Awakens that you will remember as long as Jabba's palace and the rancor, or the final battle between Luke and Vader? I know a lot of people don't like the Ewoks, but they never bothered me.

I absolutely loved the climactic battle in the dark, snowy forest.

The Batlord 12-19-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1662069)
I absolutely loved the climactic battle in the dark, snowy forest.

It was pretty decent, but absolutely nothing compared to Luke and Vader's duels in Cloud City and the second Death Star. Visually the scene was actually very nice, and I appreciated that the movie made a clearly self-conscious effort to minimize the use of CGI which made the lightsaber duels from the prequels all style and no substance. But the choreography was just bland.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1662062)
:laughing::clap:

I love how you spoil the **** out of the movie after all your nerdy whining about avoiding spoilers.

I already explained my reasoning. This is a thread dedicated to talking about a movie, so making it spoiler-free would defeat the purpose of its very existence.

grindy 12-19-2015 04:45 PM

I know, I know. Still amusing.

Hip-Hop Homework 12-19-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1662069)
I absolutely loved the climactic battle in the dark, snowy forest.

Spoiler for spoiler:
I thought the planet quake that saved Kylo was such a cheesy way to preserve his character for the sequel.

Kylo is the saddest excuse of a Sith ever...he got worked by a jedi the very first time they ever used a light saber.

That's a sign you needa retire...Kylo's career counselor in high school did him dirty if they told him to be a sith lord.

The imagery of the film is palatable but that's like a train wreck inna field of flowers...who notices the flowers besides people with attention deficit disorders??

YorkeDaddy 12-19-2015 05:38 PM

lol not every Sith needs to be an imposing monstrosity that never shows weakness, Kylo wasn't handled perfectly but I appreciated that he was an example of a Sith who has clearly not reached full power and still has pulls to the "light" side unlike other Siths who were pure evil and that's it

The Identity Matrix 12-19-2015 05:57 PM

Uhh Kylo is not a Sith lord. Snoke isn't either until we can confirm if he is Darth Plageuis. It makes sense why he got beat to crap because of how torn he is between the light and the dark sides. I think in 8 he will not be as much of a push over.

My overall thought on the movie...

It was really good. Just not great. They sidelined a ton of characters I was really excited to see explored (Captain Phasma and Poe Damaran) But what they created was the setup to something bigger. Starkiller Base didn't feel as sinister as the Deathstar. It was defeated pretty easily. I did feel the emotion though with the encounter between Han and Ren. That was a little heart wrenching,

Hip-Hop Homework 12-19-2015 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Identity Matrix (Post 1662115)
Uhh Kylo is not a Sith lord. Snoke isn't either until we can confirm if he is Darth Plageuis. It makes sense why he got beat to crap because of how torn he is between the light and the dark sides. I think in 8 he will not be as much of a push over.

My overall thought on the movie...

It was really good. Just not great. They sidelined a ton of characters I was really excited to see explored (Captain Phasma and Poe Damaran) But what they created was the setup to something bigger. Starkiller Base didn't feel as sinister as the Deathstar. It was defeated pretty easily. I did feel the emotion though with the encounter between Han and Ren. That was a little heart wrenching,

you didn't find the similarities to New Hope to be really unimaginative?

There is so much star wars literature and fan stories about this continuum that they could've picked something awesome.

Like, I watch the cut scene montage for Knights of the Old Republic on youtube and that 15-20 minute snippet is better than this farce of a film. Not to mock your tastes but that's sincerely how I feel about it.

There are so many inspired artists who are fans of this film. The Force Unleashed storyline was amazing!!!! Starkiller was a beast!!!

So I'm confused by the lack of innovation with this...maybe Lucas took all the magic with him. I just need to accept that it was what it was but I was hoping for so much more.

YorkeDaddy 12-19-2015 08:02 PM

Based on this thread and the religion thread...hip hop whatthe****ever is not a poster I will be getting along with

Hip-Hop Homework 12-19-2015 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1662152)
Based on this thread and the religion thread...hip hop whatthe****ever is not a poster I will be getting along with

this is a risk I am willing to accept! :dj:

The Identity Matrix 12-19-2015 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hip-Hop Homework (Post 1662148)
you didn't find the similarities to New Hope to be really unimaginative?

There is so much star wars literature and fan stories about this continuum that they could've picked something awesome.

Like, I watch the cut scene montage for Knights of the Old Republic on youtube and that 15-20 minute snippet is better than this farce of a film. Not to mock your tastes but that's sincerely how I feel about it.

There are so many inspired artists who are fans of this film. The Force Unleashed storyline was amazing!!!! Starkiller was a beast!!!

So I'm confused by the lack of innovation with this...maybe Lucas took all the magic with him. I just need to accept that it was what it was but I was hoping for so much more.

Hip Hop I think you need to learn a bit more about what the EU is before making statements like those.

YorkeDaddy 12-19-2015 08:27 PM

I predict he'll get himself banned within a month

The Identity Matrix 12-19-2015 08:29 PM

Ill be honest I thought he was a spammer like the others who have been popping up more recently. I still have suspicions.

grindy 12-19-2015 08:40 PM

Come on. Give the guy a chance.
He calls people 'cats'. I like that.

Neapolitan 12-19-2015 09:02 PM

I don't care how ridiculous this sounds but I rate Star Wars in order of their release IV > V > VI > I > II > III > VII.

Spoiler for characters and plot:


I am undiced whether or not this bothers me yet, but it rehashes everything from the old movies. Instead of Leia to be found it is Luke. Instead Luke living on a desert planet, separated from his parents for his own protection, saving a droid being scrapped which so happens has an important hologram it's Rey. But unlike Luke who had old Ben and later Yoda to help him to realize and use the force, Rey learns intuitively to use the force.

Luke means "Light" and Rey (even though it's a derivative of rex meaning King) I guess it is used in this instance to allude to light as in a ray of sunlight?

BB 8 had the shape of V.I.N.CENT, a personality very close to WALL·E, and outward appearance of a typical astromech droid from the Star Wars universe, a version of the R2 D2 unit with Dyson ball technology. :/

V.I.N.CENT was the robot in The Black Hole, it's name was short for "Vital Information Necessary CENTralized," the production company was Walt Disney Pictures. WALL·E was Walt Disney Pictures/Pixar movie. I didn't mentioned the Disney connection as a criticism, just an observation.

There so much more, I don't have time to get into, maybe later.

Tristan_Geoff 12-19-2015 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1662159)
I predict he'll get himself banned within a month

I love how you just openly talk about him on the public forums while he's still online.

Anyways, I like him so far. He seems genuine enough, so I appreciate that.

Tristan_Geoff 12-19-2015 09:25 PM

I have this bad self-destructive habit of spoiling pretty much everything in a movie before I watch it. The good part is I forget the bulk of information in mere seconds, but big details like Han's death I'll definitely remember. Not like I didn't expect someone to die though. I get everyone's opinions, and still hold on to my speculations from back when news of Disney's purchase came out, but I'll end up letting the film speak for itself.

Neapolitan 12-19-2015 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1662188)
I have this bad self-destructive habit of spoiling pretty much everything in a movie before I watch it. The good part is I forget the bulk of information in mere seconds, but big details like Han's death I'll definitely remember. Not like I didn't expect someone to die though. I get everyone's opinions, and still hold on to my speculations from back when news of Disney's purchase came out, but I'll end up letting the film speak for itself.

What Hans dies? WTF. They always kill off my favorite characters like old Ben and now Hans Solo. Where does it end?


and btw thanks for spoiling it for me.

Tristan_Geoff 12-19-2015 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1662189)
What Hans dies? WTF. They always kill off my favorite characters like old Ben and now Hans Solo. Where does it end?


and btw thanks for spoiling it for me.

:( but... you've seen it.

I was just kinda going along with Batlord's thing. Anyone stupid enough to click on this thread without seeing the movie gets exactly what they cane for (myself included).

The Batlord 12-20-2015 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Hip-Hop Homework (Post 1662148)
you didn't find the similarities to New Hope to be really unimaginative?

Oh god yes. They spent so much time trying to relive old glories that the movie never actually developed a personality of its own.

And one thing that's bugging me: what the hell is the power dynamic between the New Republic and the First Order? We know there is a Resistance, which implies that the First Order is the more powerful, but the New Republic had control of Coruscant, and was apparently capable enough of defending it that the First Order couldn't conventionally, and had to use a superweapon against it.

In the first trilogy it was very clear that the Rebellion's fight against the Empire was next to hopeless, and the Empire was a towering figure of malevolence to strike fear into the hearts of children and puppies. But I have no idea about the First Order, which makes it pretty hard to set up tension.

William_the_Bloody 12-20-2015 11:14 AM

I thought it was horrible and a disgrace to the Star Wars genre!

The original Star Wars movie was a fairy tale written for adults loved by children.

And although Return of the Jedi and some of the prequels were leaning towards the kiddies they always had an adult theme to them.

This movie was written and acted for 8 year olds! I mind as well been watching G.I. Joe 2.

It sucked! R.I.P. Star Wars

Neapolitan 12-20-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tristan Geoff (Post 1662190)
:( but... you've seen it.

I was just kinda going along with Batlord's thing. Anyone stupid enough to click on this thread without seeing the movie gets exactly what they cane for (myself included).

I was joking. :/

I've been watching a few vids on YT rehashing a reddit about Jar Jar Binks. I don't know though if everything Lumpawarroo says holds up. That was up to George Lucas if Jar Jar really was that sinister, but now he handed it over to Disney, nothing may come of it,or any of his ideas.

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w

Mr. Charlie 12-20-2015 12:43 PM

Han dies? Aww.

Black Francis 12-20-2015 02:20 PM

Han dies? sweet.

Tristan_Geoff 12-20-2015 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1662329)
I was joking. :/

I've been watching a few vids on YT rehashing a reddit about Jar Jar Binks. I don't know though if everything Lumpawarroo says holds up. That was up to George Lucas if Jar Jar really was that sinister, but now he handed it over to Disney, nothing may come of it,or any of his ideas.

https://www.reddit.com/comments/3qvj6w

I know.


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