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04-15-2021, 03:12 PM | #361 (permalink) | |
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04-16-2021, 01:00 PM | #362 (permalink) |
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04-16-2021, 01:24 PM | #363 (permalink) |
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I'm on mobile so I can't link but Daily Bald is my must watch channel atm. I've always really enjoyed travel channels but he does a great job of including little history lessons into his videos and visits a lot of eastern European places that I'm not super familiar with.
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04-22-2021, 05:38 PM | #364 (permalink) |
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04-26-2021, 12:23 PM | #367 (permalink) |
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I don't even think destiny destroyed him or did that well... I just thought they came across as pretty evenly matched which is funny considering the disparity in their supposed credentials
The dividends point was just semantics and not at all interesting or compelling. And the feudalism meme was definitely childish. But wolff is a charlatan as well who hides behind an amorphous and intentionally vague definition of what he means by socialism where on the one hand he holds up more benign forms of social democracy or co-ops like mondragon while in the next breath he cheers on the "rapid growth" under soviet rule as a triumph of central planning. Completely brushing over the millions who were intentionally starved to make that growth happen. He's no chomsky that's for damn sure. Last edited by jwb; 04-26-2021 at 12:28 PM. |
04-27-2021, 03:43 AM | #368 (permalink) | |
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The fact that he continues to point to this as a counter point to the idea that "socialism hasn't worked" while also not mentioning the genocidal nature of these policies is clearly intellectual dishonesty and snake oil salesman tactics. The fact that he throws in a disclaimer that he "doesn't support" the soviet model doesn't at all resolve the clearly dishonest nature of this talking point. |
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04-27-2021, 12:39 PM | #369 (permalink) | ||
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So people like Destiny will say things like "sure they grew quick but they could've grown even quicker under capitalism" which is patently absurd. You don't industrialize a massive agrarian country like russia in 5 years through ordinary capitalism. You do it by stealing food from peasants and genociding your own population so you can sell the food stocks on the global capitalist market so you can buy industrial machinery from said capitalist countries. In that way central planning is"efficient" in the same way slavery is efficient. Yes you can raise a lot of money through theft and brutality. What an amazing economic innovation. Quote:
The entire point of arguing for socialism is to create a system that addresses the abuses and evils of capitalism. Pointing to a model that was even more efficient at brutalizing and oppressing their own population as a success story for central planning is once again dishonest if you don't acknowledge said brutality and if you do acknowledge it then it's just not a good argument. You're supposed to be proposing something better than capitalism and instead you're pointing to something that was just as if not more brutal and exploitative but they just did it quicker and with a higher death toll in a shorter amount of time. Sorry but that's not a compelling point lol. |
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04-27-2021, 12:46 PM | #370 (permalink) | |
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This isn't really a whataboutism since I'm not defending the Soviets but the British caused a famine in India by doing much the same thing just without the goal of industrializing India and millions died. So don't underestimate capitalism.
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