The Worst Possible Movie Thing Has Happened

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2013, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

I think Ewan McGregor was born to play a young Obi Wan. He saved the movies, in my opinion. And of course Christopher Lee is awesome in any role he takes on...the guy has been an icon for nearly half a century. I'm just glad he stuck around long enough to reprise Saruman in the Hobbit.

I would agree with Ian McDiarmid up until he reveals himself as the Sith lord. That was way too over the top. Watch Return of the Jedi...then compare that to Revenge of the Sith. In the latter he was toned down...diabolical but believable. In the former he was a cartoon character.

lol. Yes, I've watched Return of the Jedi countless times and I think his performances in both that and Revenge of the Sith were fantastic. It makes sense that the character would be more toned down in RotJ, he's been in power for many years at that point and has no need to be directly aggressive, not to mention the fact that he's simply a much older person.

duga · 01-30-2013, 12:46 PM

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I'm assuming at this moment, it's showing that it wasn't actually affecting him, he was acting like it was so Windu would stand down, only for Sidius to catch him with his guard down. I don't think it was really hurting him, it was just revealing his face underneath.

Yeah, that's more what I lean towards as well. He was a human looking guy at one point, tough. If you are a giant Star Wars nerd like me, you should check out the book Darth Plagueis. It's one of the better expanded universe books and tells the story Palpatine described to Anakin about how he was murdered in his sleep (if you didn't guess...that was him that did it).

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

lol. Yes, I've watched Return of the Jedi countless times and I think his performances in both that and Revenge of the Sith were fantastic. It makes sense that the character would be more toned down in RotJ, he's been in power for many years at that point and has no need to be directly aggressive, not to mention the fact that he's simply a much older person.

I can see your reasoning there, but you can be aggressive without being cartoonish. Maybe it was his performance plus a cartoony Yoda fight that just took it over the top for me.

But I'll still agree he gave one of the better performances out of the rest of the cast.

Key · 01-30-2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Yeah, that's more what I lean towards as well. He was a human looking guy at one point, tough. If you are a giant Star Wars nerd like me, you should check out the book Darth Plagueis. It's one of the better expanded universe books and tells the story Palpatine described to Anakin about how he was murdered in his sleep (if you didn't guess...that was him that did it).

I'm a humongous Star Wars fan so I will see if I can find that book in my local book store. It's funny, I figured out that Palpatine was the dark lord far before the third movie came out. I had a hunch after I saw Attack of the Clones, and I was proven to be right when I saw Revenge of the Sith.

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2013, 01:00 PM

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I'm a humongous Star Wars fan so I will see if I can find that book in my local book store. It's funny, I figured out that Palpatine was the dark lord far before the third movie came out. I had a hunch after I saw Attack of the Clones, and I was proven to be right when I saw Revenge of the Sith.

That's really interesting, it had never occurred to me that his identity was ever a mystery to anyone, but I could totally see how it could be for a younger person who might not have seen the original trilogy first.

Key · 01-30-2013, 01:03 PM

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That's really interesting, it had never occurred to me that his identity was ever a mystery to anyone, but I could totally see how it could be for a younger person who might not have seen the original trilogy first.

Well I had seen the 4th 5th and 6th movies before the prequel trilogy, but I wasn't as big of a star wars fan as I am now, so I only watched them as movies, and didn't really focus on certain things. As I got older and watched the movies again though, more things started to click.

Even watching The Phantom Menace over and over again, you can see that they did put some anger into young Anakin's character, sort of hinting at the fact that he will be Darth Vader. Even though it's pretty obvious by the last name.

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2013, 12:55 PM

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I can see your reasoning there, but you can be aggressive without being cartoonish. Maybe it was his performance plus a cartoony Yoda fight that just took it over the top for me.

But I'll still agree he gave one of the better performances out of the rest of the cast.

We're talking about the villain in a space opera here, not a subtle study in real-life evil. I thought he hit all the right notes. Seeing the mask of calm manipulation finally torn away from this character I had know and hated (in a good way) for 22 years of my life was honestly pretty thrilling for me when I first saw it. And the fight with Yoda was freaking amazing, one of my favorite moments in the movie, and again, after 22 years of wondering what it would be like to see the guy fight, it was extremely satisfying.

duga · 01-30-2013, 01:02 PM

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We're talking about the villain in a space opera here, not a subtle study in real-life evil. I thought he hit all the right notes. Seeing the mask of calm manipulation finally torn away from this character I had know and hated (in a good way) for 22 years of my life was honestly pretty thrilling for me when I first saw it. And the fight with Yoda was freaking amazing, one of my favorite moments in the movie, and again, after 22 years of wondering what it would be like to see the guy fight, it was extremely satisfying.

That fight compared to the Count Dooku fight? Now THAT was a Yoda fight.

Now, I know I'm being hard on the movie...but I really spent a long time defending it and making excuses for the prequel trilogy's horrible moments and eventually I just gave up. So now I'm quick to criticize their faults...especially since its release it has settled in that this is what we are left to deal with. And I am talking about maybe 10 minutes in the whole movie where he is over the top...but it was a critical 10 minutes for me.

**Janszoon** · 01-30-2013, 01:09 PM

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That fight compared to the Count Dooku fight? Now THAT was a Yoda fight.

Yes, I agree that was even more awesome, especially because it was so surprising! And I'm sure it didn't hurt that I was stoned the first time I saw it.

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Now, I know I'm being hard on the movie...but I really spent a long time defending it and making excuses for the prequel trilogy's horrible moments and eventually I just gave up. So now I'm quick to criticize their faults...especially since its release it has settled in that this is what we are left to deal with. And I am talking about maybe 10 minutes in the whole movie where he is over the top...but it was a critical 10 minutes for me.

Well, I don't deny that there are some weak moments in the prequels but I still enjoy them.