Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire) The Fantasy Thread

PoorOldPo · 09-11-2013, 11:54 AM

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Oh this is great! I love the detail, especially the spectators. I always love your work though.

Thanks Sansa <3

bob. · 09-11-2013, 12:34 PM

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Book 5 is that bad? I'm 10% of the way in or so. Rough.

personally i did not think it was THAT bad

i did start to lose interest in the Daenerys story arc...mainly due to so many unimportant characters being introduced....but by the end of it i enjoyed the book overall

Unknown Soldier · 09-11-2013, 12:58 PM

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personally i did not think it was THAT bad

i did start to lose interest in the Daenerys story arc...mainly due to so many unimportant characters being introduced....but by the end of it i enjoyed the book overall

The Daenery's story arc has become too dominant by book 5 and as you say, too many unimportant characters are involved. The confrontation between Roose and Stannis just crawled along throughout book 5 and now we still don't really know what has happened. Also Westeros by book 5 had stopped being the focal point of the series as well.

But my overall gripe on the series now and strangely enough, are the ever growing fantasy aspects that are gradually creeping into the books. The series as a whole is classified as a 'fantasy series' and fans of that genre were who the series was aimed at. But in reality what actually made the series great, was that it was basically centred around British and French Medieval themes and settings, and Martin had done a huge amount of homework on his history, the political sagas of that time, religion, the marriages between houses and paganism etc and then placed the whole thing in a world that he created. He also did a huge amount of meticulous preparation which historically is spot on and without fault, so all in all I see him as a great historical drama writer, because let's face he knows what a drama is. But on the other hand I don't see him as a great fantasy writer though, which imo is a different ball game altogether.

Thom Yorke · 09-11-2013, 02:24 PM

The 5th book just seemed bloated in that too much was happening and it was kind of all over the place (yeah, I know that's a weird thing to say about a book with multiple POVs). I felt the same about the 3rd book (although to a much lesser degree) because I felt Martin was packing too much into it and didn't give the reader enough time to digest everything.

TheBig3 · 09-11-2013, 04:16 PM

if I've got any gripe with the series its that the characters seem to change a lot from book to book. Cersai from SoS to FFC was a wildly different person. We get some angle with Maggy the Frog, but do go that crazy seems little extreme.

Also, Stannis, who I love, does from stern to raving jerk. I suppose there's a reason for it (the rejections) but to me it was a lot of change without much impetus.

bob. · 09-11-2013, 04:37 PM

she became a raging drunk

....she is one of my favorite characters

Thom Yorke · 09-11-2013, 04:37 PM

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if I've got any gripe with the series its that the characters seem to change a lot from book to book. Cersai from SoS to FFC was a wildly different person. We get some angle with Maggy the Frog, but do go that crazy seems little extreme.

Wasn't her first POV in AFFC? It would make sense that she'd seem crazier in AFFC than SOS based on getting to read her inner-dialogue.

TheBig3 · 09-11-2013, 04:57 PM

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she became a raging drunk

....she is one of my favorite characters

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Wasn't her first POV in AFFC? It would make sense that she'd seem crazier in AFFC than SOS based on getting to read her inner-dialogue.

Yeah but her actions were visible. I mean, the Blue Bard? Good god.

bob. · 09-11-2013, 05:02 PM

i think by the time the Blue Bard stuff happens...she has basically gone bat shit crazy due to alcohol, paranoia, and utter depression....keep in mind all that happened to her in book three....crazy shit there

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2013, 06:52 AM

Anybody know the actual release date for book 6?

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bob. Still sends his reguards. Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Trying to get out of the cat town.... Posts: 5,039	i think by the time the Blue Bard stuff happens...she has basically gone bat shit crazy due to alcohol, paranoia, and utter depression....keep in mind all that happened to her in book three....crazy shit there __________________ A kiss is the beginning of cannibalism. Reach out, pierce the fine fabric of the sheltering sky, take repose.

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Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	The 5th book just seemed bloated in that too much was happening and it was kind of all over the place (yeah, I know that's a weird thing to say about a book with multiple POVs). I felt the same about the 3rd book (although to a much lesser degree) because I felt Martin was packing too much into it and didn't give the reader enough time to digest everything.