Metal Evolution.

slatesphanboi · 02-20-2012, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

The only people who are going to watch Metal Evolution on VH1 Classic are metalheads--and most of them already know about Alice Cooper and the LA hair bands.

Not sure that is true. I'm more of an alt-rocker that is happy listening to the Pixies and Breeders and I have watched several episodes of 'Metal Evolution'.

Why?

Well there is a sub-genre of Alternative Metal out there so I am interested in what the show might say about bands like Helmet, Flyleaf, and even Soundgarden.

Also I do recognize that there are some seriously talented artists in Metal: Ronnie James Dio had a great voice and also King Diamond was just hella' creative and a 'one of a kind' sort of artist.

Also folks don't watch this show in a vacuum. I happened to watch the grunge episode with my 11 year old nephew who I was baby-sitting at the time and he is just starting to get into music and stuff and watched a little bit... other folks will be exposed to it if it is on the boob tube.

Metal Connoisseur · 02-20-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by slatesphanboi

Not sure that is true. I'm more of an alt-rocker that is happy listening to the Pixies and Breeders and I have watched several episodes of 'Metal Evolution'.

Why?

Well there is a sub-genre of Alternative Metal out there so I am interested in what the show might say about bands like Helmet, Flyleaf, and even Soundgarden.

Also I do recognize that there are some seriously talented artists in Metal: Ronnie James Dio had a great voice and also King Diamond was just hella' creative and a 'one of a kind' sort of artist.

Also folks don't watch this show in a vacuum. I happened to watch the grunge episode with my 11 year old nephew who I was baby-sitting at the time and he is just starting to get into music and stuff and watched a little bit... other folks will be exposed to it if it is on the boob tube.

There was never an alternative metal episode, so bands like Flyleaf and Helmet weren't mentioned. Leaving out alt metal could be cited as another flaw in the show.

Like I said earlier, if the show comes back for a second season, Sam Dunn very may well cover the bases he missed in the first season.

slatesphanboi · 02-21-2012, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by duga

I never knew that! Cool stuff...now I feel like listening to some AIC to see if I can pick any of it out.

duga, that will be real easy because Elton John actually played on an AIC song once:

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The poignant “Black Gives Way to Blue”—which serves as the title track on the new Alice In Chains album—contains a guest appearance on the piano by none other than Elton John.

For more, link: Alice in Chains' Jerry Cantrell and Elton John on their 'Black Gives Way to Blue' collaboration | The Music Mix | EW.com

Actually this isn't that surprising to me, after Big Elton played on November Rain with Guns and Roses nothing really surprises me that much anymore!

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Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

There was never an alternative metal episode, so bands like Flyleaf and Helmet weren't mentioned. Leaving out alt metal could be cited as another flaw in the show.

Like I said earlier, if the show comes back for a second season, Sam Dunn very may well cover the bases he missed in the first season.

Hmm, Flyleaf and Helmet could have been put into the nu-metal episode they had... I avoided that episode like the plague though since I generally dislike that genre!!!

Hopefully there shall be a season 2, that would be cool.

mr dave · 02-21-2012, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by slatesphanboi

duga, that will be real easy because Elton John actually played on an AIC song once:

Hmm, Flyleaf and Helmet could have been put into the nu-metal episode they had... I avoided that episode like the plague though since I generally dislike that genre!!!

That's pretty cool, I was being a jerk with the Tiny Dancer / Down in a Hole comment but the statement on influence was honest.

Also putting Flyleaf and Helmet on the same level just hurts. Helmet was recognized as one of the 'new' generation of metal bands in the early 90s, along with the likes of Ministry, Fear Factory, and Biohazard (in fact I recall a Guitar World Magazine featuring Page Hamilton and Al Jourgensen on the cover from like 1993).

Flyleaf just sounds like a combination of Avril Lavigne and the Deftones (another originator to the nu-metal sound).

slatesphanboi · 02-23-2012, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

.Also putting Flyleaf and Helmet on the same level just hurts. Helmet was recognized as one of the 'new' generation of metal bands in the early 90s, along with the likes of Ministry, Fear Factory, and Biohazard (in fact I recall a Guitar World Magazine featuring Page Hamilton and Al Jourgensen on the cover from like 1993).

Flyleaf just sounds like a combination of Avril Lavigne and the Deftones (another originator to the nu-metal sound).

There are several reasons I mention them in conjunction:

1.) I think both of them could be thrown in under the label of 'nu-metal'

2.) Also being a big fan of both bands (I saw Helmet live in like 1994) I have heard that like Helmets style was actually a big influence on Flyleaf and that over the years Paige Hamilton and some of the band members in Flyleaf are on friendly terms.

(I always though Flyleaf sounded like Fiona Apple mixed with Helmet, but that is just me!)