Metal Evolution.

blastingas10 · 02-18-2012, 08:00 PM

I wasn't saying anything about the show, it just seemed that there's a problem with saying metal was influenced by other types of music. It was definitey was, like pretty much any type of music.

slatesphanboi · 02-19-2012, 01:36 AM

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The grunge one was interesting (albeit unnecessary--I've never really connected grunge and metal before outside of the Melvins or Soundgarden), but the shock rock and hair metal episodes seemed pretty useless to me because their focus centered mainly on bands who didn't contribute a whole lot to metal as a whole.

What about Alice in Chains? In fact the whole grunge episode was basically a big lead up to the narrator coming to the conclusion that Alice in Chains was easily the most metal of the grunge bands.

Shock rock helped to bring more fans to metal. People heard about the crazy theatrics of Alice Cooper and that helped to spread the word! Same with Marilyn Manson a few years later.

Hair Metal is an important episode because for alot of folks when they think of metal... they think of Hair Metal. Also Hair Metal brought in alot of ballads and stuff to Metal (although one could argue KISS had started that trend with 'Beth') and that in turn brought in alot of chicks.

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Dunn's choice to not cover death, black, or hardcore punk influenced metal is a travesty because that's where some of metal's greatest bands are.

When it comes to Black, Death, etc... Well Metal Evolution is a tv series so that shall probably be on season two!

Unknown Soldier · 02-19-2012, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10

I wasn't saying anything about the show, it just seemed that there's a problem with saying metal was influenced by other types of music. It was definitey was, like pretty much any type of music.

There is no problem at all with this, point being if a series with a certain amount of episodes is going to dedicate time to this at the expense of important metal sub-genres, its not being very productive.

Most people would sooner see for example, extreme metal genres covered, than say 30 mins being spent on how the Who and the Kinks etc were an influence on metal.

Metal Connoisseur · 02-19-2012, 07:35 AM

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What about Alice in Chains? In fact the whole grunge episode was basically a big lead up to the narrator coming to the conclusion that Alice in Chains was easily the most metal of the grunge bands.

Shock rock helped to bring more fans to metal. People heard about the crazy theatrics of Alice Cooper and that helped to spread the word! Same with Marilyn Manson a few years later.

Hair Metal is an important episode because for alot of folks when they think of metal... they think of Hair Metal. Also Hair Metal brought in alot of ballads and stuff to Metal (although one could argue KISS had started that trend with 'Beth') and that in turn brought in alot of chicks.

When it comes to Black, Death, etc... Well Metal Evolution is a tv series so that shall probably be on season two!

Alice in Chains was by far the most "metal" of the grunge bands, but that doesn't mean that grunge and metal are connected in any way. If I remember correctly, in the interviews, the people from Tad and Soundgarden didn't associate themselves with metal at all.

What you said about shock rock and hair metal is all true but to reiterate what Unknown Soldier said, we all know about that stuff. The only people who are going to watch Metal Evolution on VH1 Classic are metalheads--and most of them already know about Alice Cooper and the LA hair bands. I was just expressing my frustration that Dunn didn't decide to cover some more extreme or obscure ground is all.

Season two all depends if they had high enough ratings to warrant the funding for future episodes...which idk if they got or not.

duga · 02-19-2012, 11:45 AM

Jerry Cantrell has always said they would have rather been associated with metal than grunge. They would show up to shows in leather jackets and chains while everyone else was in flannel. They never felt like they fit in with the scene.

blastingas10 · 02-19-2012, 01:33 PM

Call it what you want, AIC is a kick ass band.

slatesphanboi · 02-20-2012, 04:01 AM

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The only people who are going to watch Metal Evolution on VH1 Classic are metalheads--and most of them already know about Alice Cooper and the LA hair bands.

Not sure that is true. I'm more of an alt-rocker that is happy listening to the Pixies and Breeders and I have watched several episodes of 'Metal Evolution'.

Why?

Well there is a sub-genre of Alternative Metal out there so I am interested in what the show might say about bands like Helmet, Flyleaf, and even Soundgarden.

Also I do recognize that there are some seriously talented artists in Metal: Ronnie James Dio had a great voice and also King Diamond was just hella' creative and a 'one of a kind' sort of artist.

Also folks don't watch this show in a vacuum. I happened to watch the grunge episode with my 11 year old nephew who I was baby-sitting at the time and he is just starting to get into music and stuff and watched a little bit... other folks will be exposed to it if it is on the boob tube.

mr dave · 02-20-2012, 07:21 AM

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Jerry Cantrell has always said they would have rather been associated with metal than grunge. They would show up to shows in leather jackets and chains while everyone else was in flannel. They never felt like they fit in with the scene.

Jerry Cantrell also always cited Elton John as a much bigger influence than any other classic rock act in interviews back in the day. He'd actually get defensive about it too.

Pretty sure if you listen closely there's some crossover from Tiny Dancer coming through Down in a Hole.

duga · 02-20-2012, 01:41 PM

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Jerry Cantrell also always cited Elton John as a much bigger influence than any other classic rock act in interviews back in the day. He'd actually get defensive about it too.

Pretty sure if you listen closely there's some crossover from Tiny Dancer coming through Down in a Hole.

I never knew that! Cool stuff...now I feel like listening to some AIC to see if I can pick any of it out.

Metal Connoisseur · 02-20-2012, 06:07 PM

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Not sure that is true. I'm more of an alt-rocker that is happy listening to the Pixies and Breeders and I have watched several episodes of 'Metal Evolution'.

Why?

Well there is a sub-genre of Alternative Metal out there so I am interested in what the show might say about bands like Helmet, Flyleaf, and even Soundgarden.

Also I do recognize that there are some seriously talented artists in Metal: Ronnie James Dio had a great voice and also King Diamond was just hella' creative and a 'one of a kind' sort of artist.

Also folks don't watch this show in a vacuum. I happened to watch the grunge episode with my 11 year old nephew who I was baby-sitting at the time and he is just starting to get into music and stuff and watched a little bit... other folks will be exposed to it if it is on the boob tube.

There was never an alternative metal episode, so bands like Flyleaf and Helmet weren't mentioned. Leaving out alt metal could be cited as another flaw in the show.

Like I said earlier, if the show comes back for a second season, Sam Dunn very may well cover the bases he missed in the first season.

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