Unpopular Movie Opinions.

bob. · 09-11-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

The title itself is misleading. It was marketed as an 'unofficial' sequel to the original Dawn Of The Dead. It is also known as Zombie, Zombie Flesh Eaters amongst other names and may not be that well known to many on here but in Horror film circles and especially Zombie aficionados it is classed as nothing short of classic.

It is a film I know well and I almost want to apologise for including it as it has some great assets. Zombie Vs Shark shot wonderfully well, the fantastic synth score, hand on the window shot, the inventive use of gore (the infamous eye splitting scene) and the P.O.V shots of Zombies arising from their graves BUT it's boring!

Apart from the opening 5 minutes we have to wait another 30 for anything to happen and even in those 30 minutes the plot is barely expanded upon. As is par for the course with Italian Horror films most of the actors are dubbed and badly too. The inconsistencies become ever more apparent the more times you watch it (Zombies breathing underwater, 500 year old buried bodies still fairly intact etc) and although the score is great it not utilised in the right places.

The director Luci Fulci quite rightly has his place in Italian Horror cinema having given us the superlative The Beyond and this was the film that put him onto the international stage but I still find it vastly overrated and one of those films often viewed through nostalgic misty eyed glasses and upon close inspection it is a cumbersome beast.

this almost hurts my feelings

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i agree 100% with what you say here.....and although this for the most part is regarded as Fulci 's masterpiece i feel many of his other films have a more "re-watchable" quality (The Beyond, The New York Ripper)

still....zombie vs shark! and the absolute best ocular torture scene ever burned to film

lucifer_sam · 09-11-2011, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

This is false. Lord of the Rings, No Country for Old Men, and There Will Be Blood (even though that one is only partially based off of Upton Sinclair's "Oil!") are all exponentially better than the books.

This may very well be, but the main theme of the film came nowhere near that of the book (which is easy to detect, because Sinclair almost exclusively writes politicized narratives). As far as I'm concerned they are completely disparate works.

Add to that list: The Count of Monte Cristo (both 1934 & 2002 adaptations), Apocalypse Now!, A Clockwork Orange & Trainspotting. Which is pretty immense, because those last two novels are pretty immense themselves.

djchameleon · 09-11-2011, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

This may very well be, but the main theme of the film came nowhere near that of the book (which is easy to detect, because Sinclair almost exclusively writes politicized narratives). As far as I'm concerned they are completely disparate works.

Add to that list: The Count of Monte Cristo (both 1934 & 2002 adaptations), Apocalypse Now!, A Clockwork Orange & Trainspotting. Which is pretty immense, because those last two novels are pretty immense themselves.

I feel like more people should treat films based off of novels as two different works.

Two different mediums are being used and they each have their own strengths.

The whole "the book was better" attitude that people love to gravitate towards shouldn't be even used.

lucifer_sam · 09-11-2011, 05:40 PM

I agree with you, but have you actually read Oil!? There Will Be Blood veers in a completely different direction after the oil eruption scene (which encompasses most of the film's conflict/resolution). Thereafter, the film doesn't adapt the novel's plot whatsoever; it was rewritten entirely. Honestly, I very much prefer the film to its literary progenitor, but the two simply don't corroborate the same message to me.

Antonio · 09-11-2011, 06:53 PM

-Dogma is Kevin Smith's best movie.

-Brazil was a movie that needed to be made later, like in the 90s, because the effects that they were going for would be much better realized than the shambly mess the 80s had in the the way they portrayed the visuals.

-How High is one of the best stoner movies ever.

-Friday After Next is better than the original Friday, much funnier and more memorable.

-The Iron Giant is one of the greatest animated films ever, better than most Disney films, really.

-the Speed Racer movie by the Wachowski brothers was amazing. frankly i loved it and never felt it slow down once

-everyone needs to see City of God at least once

Howard the Duck · 09-11-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

-Dogma is Kevin Smith's best movie.

-Brazil was a movie that needed to be made later, like in the 90s, because the effects that they were going for would be much better realized than the shambly mess the 80s had in the the way they portrayed the visuals.

-How High is one of the best stoner movies ever.

-Friday After Next is better than the original Friday, much funnier and more memorable.

-The Iron Giant is one of the greatest animated films ever, better than most Disney films, really.

-the Speed Racer movie by the Wachowski brothers was amazing. frankly i loved it and never felt it slow down once

-everyone needs to see City of God at least once

seconded

lucifer_sam · 09-11-2011, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Antonio

-Dogma is Kevin Smith's best movie.

-Brazil was a movie that needed to be made later, like in the 90s, because the effects that they were going for would be much better realized than the shambly mess the 80s had in the the way they portrayed the visuals.

-How High is one of the best stoner movies ever.

-Friday After Next is better than the original Friday, much funnier and more memorable.

-The Iron Giant is one of the greatest animated films ever, better than most Disney films, really.

-the Speed Racer movie by the Wachowski brothers was amazing. frankly i loved it and never felt it slow down once

-everyone needs to see City of God at least once

It would have been MUCH less relevant as a political satire were that the case. (The original title of the film was 1984 1/2, playing reference to the Orwellian novel and year of birth). Anyway, it would have been a very different movie -- there's a certain appeal to the cheesy special effects juxtaposed with the dysfunctional Big Brother world re-imagined.

Incidentally, I just watched the Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus and I have to say, it ranks among Gilliam's most compelling works. Maybe not on the same magnitude as Brazil or 12 Monkeys, but at least as good as the Fear and Loathing.

RVCA · 09-12-2011, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

This is false. Lord of the Rings, No Country for Old Men, and There Will Be Blood (even though that one is only partially based off of Upton Sinclair's "Oil!") are all exponentially better than the books.

Surly, surely, surely you're kidding that the LOTR trilogy is better than the original set of novels?

The Big Lebowski is okay.

~~Odyshape~~ · 09-12-2011, 08:57 PM

THe social network was horrible and I hated every single character in the movie.

Freebase Dali · 09-12-2011, 09:03 PM

- None of Kevin Smith's movies are actually funny.

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lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	I agree with you, but have you actually read Oil!? There Will Be Blood veers in a completely different direction after the oil eruption scene (which encompasses most of the film's conflict/resolution). Thereafter, the film doesn't adapt the novel's plot whatsoever; it was rewritten entirely. Honestly, I very much prefer the film to its literary progenitor, but the two simply don't corroborate the same message to me. __________________ first.am

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~~Odyshape~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 526	THe social network was horrible and I hated every single character in the movie.

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Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	- None of Kevin Smith's movies are actually funny.