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Old 04-10-2010, 07:07 AM   #31 (permalink)
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It's a western fused with a thriller. Surprised what I said even caused a debate.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:16 AM   #32 (permalink)
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WTF.

I thought the characters were great, any of the 3 of them are interesting enough to have a movie of their own. Harrison was great in his little role too.
I thought only Chigurh was up to the standards of the Coen's typically very interesting characters. Harrelson? Come on, his character was the most poorly written of the bunch.
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Old 04-10-2010, 07:23 AM   #33 (permalink)
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It's a western fused with a thriller. Surprised what I said even caused a debate.
It's more like film noir with cowboy hats. I'm surprised there's even a debate about this.
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It's more like film noir with cowboy hats. I'm surprised there's even a debate about this.
A western thriller set in 1980, just brought up to date. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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A western thriller set in 1980, just brought up to date. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Or maybe it's a sci-fi movie with all of the sci-fi elements removed!
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Old 04-10-2010, 10:56 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Or maybe it's a sci-fi movie with all of the sci-fi elements removed!
Bit different than fusing two genres together.. but sure, if you like. Why not!
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Wikipedia called it a "Thriller Western"

In defining the Western genre, they said that the themes include:

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The Western genre, particularly in films, often portrays the conquest of the wilderness and the subordination of nature in the name of civilization or the confiscation of the territorial rights of the original inhabitants of the frontier. The Western depicts a society organized around codes of honor and personal, direct or private justice (such as the feud[1]), rather than any rationalistic, abstract law, in which persons have no social order larger than their immediate peers, family, or perhaps themselves alone. The popular perception of the Western[2] is a story that centers on the life of a semi-nomadic wanderer, usually a cowboy or a gunfighter.

In some ways, such protagonists may be considered the literary descendants of the knight errant which stood at the center of an earlier extensive genre. Like the cowboy or gunfighter of the Western, the knight errant of the earlier European tales and poetry was wandering from place to place on his horse, fighting villains of various kinds and bound to no fixed social structures but only to his own innate code of honor. And like knights errant, the heroes of Westerns frequently rescue damsels in distress. Similarly, the wandering protagonists of Westerns share many of the characteristics equated with the image of the ronin in modern Japanese culture.

The Western typically takes these elements and uses them to tell simple morality tales, although some notable examples (e.g. the later Westerns of John Ford or Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven) are more morally ambiguous. Westerns often stress the harshness of the wilderness and frequently set the action in an arid, desolate landscape. Specific settings include isolated forts, ranches and homesteads; the Native American village; or the small frontier town with its saloon, general store, livery stable and jailhouse. Apart from the wilderness, it is usually the saloon that emphasizes that this is the "Wild West": it is the place to go for music (raucous piano playing), women (often prostitutes), gambling (draw poker or five card stud), drinking (beer or whiskey), brawling and shooting. In some Westerns, where "civilization" has arrived, the town has a church and a school; in others, where frontier rules still hold sway, it is, as Sergio Leone said, "where life has no value".
I can definitely see the "codes of honor" in NCFOM rather than the firm law, as evidenced by Chigurh telling Moss's wife "I gave my word". You also get Woody talking about how Chigurh has his own set of principles. Moss can definitely be seen as a wanderer in the movie too. Obviously NCFOM has the setting down.

I'd call NCFOM a western and I'd definitely not call the characters generic.

Just listen to the opening narrative, replete with emotion:



"A man would have to put his soul at hazard. He'd have to say 'Okay, I'll be part of this world.'"

Hell, just watch the showdown in the hotel. Be sure to turn your volume way up!



You can hear the silenced shotgun go off, the phone ringing at the end of the hall, the foosteps of the man, Chigurh unscrewing the lightbulb, and the hiss of the cattlegun. It's an awesomely suspenseful scene.

None of the characters are weak, the movie masterfully shows how each deals with the unstoppable force of Chigurh differently.
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That same Wikipedia entry starts with this paragraph:

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The Western is a genre seen in film, television, radio, literature, painting and other visual arts. Westerns are devoted to telling stories set primarily in the later half of the 19th century in what became the Western United States (known as the American Old West or Wild West), but also in Western Canada, Mexico (The Wild Bunch, Vera Cruz), Alaska (The Far Country, North to Alaska) and even Australia (Quigley Down Under, The Proposition). Some Westerns are set as early as the Battle of the Alamo in 1836 but most are set between the end of the American Civil War and the massacre at Wounded Knee in 1890, though there are several "late Westerns" (e.g., The Wild Bunch and 100 Rifles) set as late as the Mexican Revolution in 1913. In the 1930s many B-Westerns were set in the present. There are also a number of films about Western-type characters in contemporary settings where they don't fit in, such as Junior Bonner set in the 1970s, and Down in the Valley and The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada in the 21st century.
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Old 04-10-2010, 12:32 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz genre arguments.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz genre arguments.
I think that's classed as observational humour. What does everyone else think?
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