Modern Warfare 2

boo boo · 11-21-2009, 06:41 AM

Why is this the most hyped game in the universe again?

Another first person shooter where you get to kill a lot of foreigners? Aren't there enough of those at this point? What's all the fuss about? What makes this stand out among all the other shooters out there? Because I don't see it.

Guybrush · 11-21-2009, 06:52 AM

I guess the hype comes from the fact that it's a great series and the previous modern warfare (CoD 4) was a kickass game.

I agree that it's excessive, though.

boo boo · 11-21-2009, 06:58 AM

So the same people who hate on older franchises for not being innovative enough anymore are praising a game that does absolutely nothing new just because it's a new entry in a fanboy pleasing franchise?

Okay. I guess that's as a good enough of an answer as I'm gonna get.

Guybrush · 11-21-2009, 07:31 AM

Well, I for one would be quite disappointed if suddenly all games developers stopped making FPS games. I'd like to be able to pick up new ones instead of playing through the old ones over and over and over ..

In other words, I don't think a game has to be 100% original to be good. Half Life 2 wasn't.

boo boo · 11-21-2009, 08:18 AM

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Well, I for one would be quite disappointed if suddenly all games developers stopped making FPS games.

I'm not saying that. But I just feel that the innovations in the genre are purely cosmetic. I'm not saying a game has to be super innnovative to be good, hell no. New Super Mario Bros Wii is on the top of my Christmas wish list.

But when you're talking about the biggest genre in the business and there being SO MANY shooters on the market, there's not really much of an excuse for the lack of innovation, it would at least help some games to stand out, even if the experiments fail. People seem to hate Mirrors Edge with a passion but by god, at least it actually stood out.

When I mean innovation, I'm not just talking about the new technological trends, I downright dispise this modern trend of expansion packs and online fees. Whatever happened to buying a game and you know, actually having a finished product in your hands?

Still, I understand there have been some highly original shooters out there.

I thought Metroid Prime was quite innovative in how it brought puzzle platforming and action adventure into the mix. I actually think of it as more of a first person adventure than a shooter.

But why dont we have more shooters expanding on ideas like this? Or the FPS/RPG concept that started with Deus Ex and System Shock?

I will say there's one FPS out right now that I'm quite interested in, Zeno Clash looks awesome.

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I'd like to be able to pick up new ones instead of playing through the old ones over and over and over ..

Welll different strokes I guess, I'm perfectly fine with sticking to Doom, Quake 2 and Goldeneye until a FPS comes along that REALLY grabs my attention, unfortunately I wish that wasn't such a rare occurance.

I might check this game out if I can find the PC version but I don't want to put up with monthly online fees and crap which I'd probably have to do if I want to get any enjoyment out of it as it seems to be yet another shooter that's all about the multiplayer.

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In other words, I don't think a game has to be 100% original to be good. Half Life 2 wasn't.

Of course not. It dosen't even need to be 01% original to be good. Most of the new games I have much of an interest in are fairly retro in nature.

But until there actually are some innovative shooters out there. I will continue to laugh maniacally in the face of every Halo fanboy who puts down Mario and Zelda for "lacking innovation".

In fact, I'm gonna do that right now.

Guybrush · 11-21-2009, 08:41 AM

Variations in gameplay is good I think and I sometimes miss it, but as for Modern Warfare they're obviously marketing the game towards all those who like shooting other players to pieces in online matches. I understand the criticism against the lack of variety in gameplay, but I think the game being tailored as a multiplayer action at least explains (I think) why one should expect less variation. In online matches, it would be hard to find a way for puzzles to make sense for one thing .. It's much easier to be original in 1 player games like Mirror's Edge and Bioshock.

1 Player FPS games still feel frequently fresh to me - aside from the ones I mentioned, Crysis was good, the new Operation Flashpoint just came out which is quite different and I'm sure Bioshock 2 will have some new tricks up it's sleeve.

Of course FPS games in general don't taste quite as fresh now as it used to but that's because FPS games have been around for quite a while now, much longer than they had in the 90s.

LoathsomePete · 11-21-2009, 10:02 AM

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare might not be as innovative when it comes to gameplay because as Tore said, there's not much you can do to it. It's a fast pace action shooter game that demands the player move up quickly to actually proceed throughout the level rather than just shooting at respawning enemy soldiers all day. It's a formula that works for a lot of players and one that really shouldn't be tampered with. As far as innovation goes, the game is quite innovative as far as straying from what a lot of other war games constantly do. Rather than portraying the protagonist factions (USMC and SAS) as brave and heroic they are occasional moments where they're depicted as short sighted, arrogant, or just psychotic. This is a really nice change of pace from the usual war game where the patriotism is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The game also doesn't use high wailing trumpet tracks as much as Medal of Honor does which makes the game a lot more playable. Whenever you die the game tells you the outrageous cost of certain military items or an anti-war quote. Most importantly though, characters you come to know and love actually die in the game. In fact, a character you control for a good half the game succumbs to radiation poisoning after a nuclear bomb detonates while he's riding away in a helicopter after saving a different helicopter pilot. It's not just a cut scene either, everything goes red and you can hear your avatar struggling to breath. You can crawl out of the helicopter and just see the devastating amount of destruction, or you can just stare at the dead corpses of people you fought with. This happens until you eventually die, alone in a foreign country that now is a dead and barren wasteland. How many games do you know where that happens?

Guybrush · 11-21-2009, 10:13 AM

I agree, Pete .. That death was definetly a memorable video game moment for me.

It was also exciting to crawl under cars with the enemy passing a mere metre away when I was a sniper in super-camo with twigs in my helmet. I'm very much looking forward to see what MW2 will bring! From what I've seen on commercials, there's even action taking place in space.

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Looks exciting to me.

Alfred · 11-21-2009, 10:27 AM

Note: I have not played Modern Warfare 2 yet and I am not saying it's a bad game.

...but all this hype and RAVE REVIEWS are making me sick. You're not hardcore because you play what amounts to the most casual first person shooter on the face of the planet. I played through Call Of Duty 4 expecting an amazing cinematic experience and squad-based thrills that would trump the original Call Of Duty. Did it deliver? No. The story was pretty good, but not amazing like everyone seems to think. And four years later, Infinity Ward STILL can't top the intensity of Call Of Duty's campaign. Oh, and did I mention that the graphics looked like SHIT? Literally? From what I hear, all Modern Warfare 2 amounts to is a more over-the-top, shorter version of Call Of Duty 4 with some new multiplayer elements (hopefully better maps?). Blah, I see why boo boo gets so frustrated.

boo boo · 11-21-2009, 10:57 AM

Well, if there's nothing new to bring to multiplayer gaming then perhaps it's best for the FPS genre to focus more on single player. Like Bioshock.

Anywho, even though I hated on Yahtzee in my 100 things that piss me off about video games thread, I gotta admit sometimes he nails it right on the freaking head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa6WLMt-3oQ

You know, I take it back, this guy actually can be pretty damn funny... when he's not riffing on a game I like obviously.

This guy is basically the Urban Hatemonger of the gaming world.

11-21-2009, 06:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I guess the hype comes from the fact that it's a great series and the previous modern warfare (CoD 4) was a kickass game. I agree that it's excessive, though. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-21-2009, 07:31 AM	#14 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Well, I for one would be quite disappointed if suddenly all games developers stopped making FPS games. I'd like to be able to pick up new ones instead of playing through the old ones over and over and over .. In other words, I don't think a game has to be 100% original to be good. Half Life 2 wasn't. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-21-2009, 08:41 AM	#16 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Variations in gameplay is good I think and I sometimes miss it, but as for Modern Warfare they're obviously marketing the game towards all those who like shooting other players to pieces in online matches. I understand the criticism against the lack of variety in gameplay, but I think the game being tailored as a multiplayer action at least explains (I think) why one should expect less variation. In online matches, it would be hard to find a way for puzzles to make sense for one thing .. It's much easier to be original in 1 player games like Mirror's Edge and Bioshock. 1 Player FPS games still feel frequently fresh to me - aside from the ones I mentioned, Crysis was good, the new Operation Flashpoint just came out which is quite different and I'm sure Bioshock 2 will have some new tricks up it's sleeve. Of course FPS games in general don't taste quite as fresh now as it used to but that's because FPS games have been around for quite a while now, much longer than they had in the 90s. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-21-2009, 10:02 AM	#17 (permalink)
LoathsomePete Cardboard Box Realtor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Hobb's End Posts: 7,648	Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare might not be as innovative when it comes to gameplay because as Tore said, there's not much you can do to it. It's a fast pace action shooter game that demands the player move up quickly to actually proceed throughout the level rather than just shooting at respawning enemy soldiers all day. It's a formula that works for a lot of players and one that really shouldn't be tampered with. As far as innovation goes, the game is quite innovative as far as straying from what a lot of other war games constantly do. Rather than portraying the protagonist factions (USMC and SAS) as brave and heroic they are occasional moments where they're depicted as short sighted, arrogant, or just psychotic. This is a really nice change of pace from the usual war game where the patriotism is so thick you could cut it with a knife. The game also doesn't use high wailing trumpet tracks as much as Medal of Honor does which makes the game a lot more playable. Whenever you die the game tells you the outrageous cost of certain military items or an anti-war quote. Most importantly though, characters you come to know and love actually die in the game. In fact, a character you control for a good half the game succumbs to radiation poisoning after a nuclear bomb detonates while he's riding away in a helicopter after saving a different helicopter pilot. It's not just a cut scene either, everything goes red and you can hear your avatar struggling to breath. You can crawl out of the helicopter and just see the devastating amount of destruction, or you can just stare at the dead corpses of people you fought with. This happens until you eventually die, alone in a foreign country that now is a dead and barren wasteland. How many games do you know where that happens? __________________ Last.FM 101 Albums That May Not Change Your Life, But I Really Like And You Might Too

11-21-2009, 10:13 AM	#18 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I agree, Pete .. That death was definetly a memorable video game moment for me. It was also exciting to crawl under cars with the enemy passing a mere metre away when I was a sniper in super-camo with twigs in my helmet. I'm very much looking forward to see what MW2 will bring! From what I've seen on commercials, there's even action taking place in space. edit : Looks exciting to me. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-21-2009, 10:27 AM	#19 (permalink)
Alfred one big soul Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 5,096	Note: I have not played Modern Warfare 2 yet and I am not saying it's a bad game. ...but all this hype and RAVE REVIEWS are making me sick. You're not hardcore because you play what amounts to the most casual first person shooter on the face of the planet. I played through Call Of Duty 4 expecting an amazing cinematic experience and squad-based thrills that would trump the original Call Of Duty. Did it deliver? No. The story was pretty good, but not amazing like everyone seems to think. And four years later, Infinity Ward STILL can't top the intensity of Call Of Duty's campaign. Oh, and did I mention that the graphics looked like SHIT? Literally? From what I hear, all Modern Warfare 2 amounts to is a more over-the-top, shorter version of Call Of Duty 4 with some new multiplayer elements (hopefully better maps?). Blah, I see why boo boo gets so frustrated. __________________ LAST.FM / VINYL COLLECTION / RYM