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Old 06-22-2010, 11:32 PM   #241 (permalink)
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Adding Hot Fuzz to my list. Saw it last Friday and LOVED IT Couldnt stop laughing and the cinematography was so ironic.. I love you Simon Pegg.



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Old 06-24-2010, 09:13 AM   #242 (permalink)
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It looks like some of us are going to have to agree to disagree about JFK.

If some people don't realize the fact that JFK was the most important, relevant film ever made, that's ok. There is the old adage "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

That is just what the CIA wants, is for people to be dismissive about Oliver Stone and that film. In fact, I'm sure they've actively engaged in a black-op covert PR campaign over the years to work to promote that dismissive perception in the general consciousness. It's the type of thing they do professionally.
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Old 06-24-2010, 10:59 AM   #243 (permalink)
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It looks like some of us are going to have to agree to disagree about JFK.

If some people don't realize the fact that JFK was the most important, relevant film ever made, that's ok. There is the old adage "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

That is just what the CIA wants, is for people to be dismissive about Oliver Stone and that film. In fact, I'm sure they've actively engaged in a black-op covert PR campaign over the years to work to promote that dismissive perception in the general consciousness. It's the type of thing they do professionally.
oh yeah, and jfk was shot and killed by lee harvey oswald. please don't take history lessons from admittedly fictional oliver stone films. and please don't ever watch his doors movie.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:44 AM   #244 (permalink)
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oh yeah, and jfk was shot and killed by lee harvey oswald. please don't take history lessons from admittedly fictional oliver stone films. and please don't ever watch his doors movie.
Lee Harvey Oswald didn't have anything to do with the assassination. He didn't even fire a weapon of any kind at any time at anyone on that day.
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Old 07-04-2010, 06:50 PM   #245 (permalink)
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My favorites are: Lord Of War, Borat, Stepbrothers, Chapter 27, Half Nelson & Twilight
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Old 07-06-2010, 11:50 PM   #246 (permalink)
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I'm wondering if people here actually know what cinematography is. For instance, cinematography cannot be ironic. Cinematography concerns the lighting of each scene and how shadows come into play on screen, it is not the angle of a shot, or how the blocking is set up in a shot, it is not the mis-en-scene, it is simply lighting. The director decides the camera angles and the blocking. And also, Cunning Stunt, cinematography is a legitimate argument for why a film is great if understood properly. Cinematography is easier to appreciate in a black and white film, where ALL film was was light and shadow. It's good that who you're argument also doesn't know much about cinematography. I will give you this, JFK isn't too great.

Film snob rant over.

I've actually done one of these lists before on a different forum. I've got a top 50 which I think is pretty damn good, but I was a film snob before I was a music snob so forgive me. However, ANY of these movies are HIGHLY recommended by me.

Favorite/best movies, with the director:

1. Raging Bull (1980) - Martin Scorsese
2. Apocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Ford Coppola
3. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) - David Lean
4. 8½ (1963) - Federico Fellini
5. Citizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles
6. The Godfather Part II (1974) - Francis Ford Coppola
7. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Stanley Kubrick
8. Taxi Driver (1976) - Martin Scorsese
9. Adaptation (2002) - Spike Jonze
10. Fargo (1995) - Joel Coen & Ethan Cohen
11. It's A Wonderful Life (1946) - Frank Capra
12. City of God (2002) - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund
13. Magnolia (1999) - Paul Thomas Anderson
14. Babel (2006) - Alejandro González Iñárritu
15. Boogie Nights (1997) - Paul Thomas Anderson
16. Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quentin Tarantino
17. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) - Stanley Kubrick
18. Blade Runner (1982) - Ridley Scott
19. Breathless (1959) - Jean-Luc Godard
20. L'Avventura (1960) - Michaelangelo Antonioni
21. A Clockwork Orange (1971) - Stanley Kubrick
22. Network (1976) - Sidney Lumet
23. There Will Be Blood (2007) - Paul Thomas Anderson
24. The Seventh Seal (1957) - Ingmar Bergman
25. Annie Hall (1977) - Woody Allen
26. American Splendor (2003) - Shari Springer Berman & Robert Pulcini
27. The Godfather (1972) - Francis Ford Coppola
28. The Searchers (1956) - John Ford
29. Aguirre: The Wrath of God (1972) - Werner Herzog
30. La Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini
31. Goodfellas (1990) - Martin Scorsese
32. Do the Right Thing (1989) - Spike Lee
33. Dekalog (1988) - Krszystof Kieslowski
34. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Milos Forman
35. Mean Streets (1973) - Martin Scorsese
36. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - Michel Gondry
37. The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) - Wes Anderson
38. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) - David Lean
39. Cabaret (1972) - Bob Fosse
40. Donnie Darko (2001) - Richard Kelly
41. Elephant (2003) - Gus Van Zandt
42. The Last Picture Show (1971) - Peter Bogdanovich
43. Eyes Wide Shut (1999) - Stanley Kubrick
44. Tokyo Story (1953) - Yasujiro Ozu
45. Mulholland Dr. (2001) - Richard Kelly
46. Chelsea Girls (1967) - Andy Warhol
47. Sunset Blvd. (1950) - Billy Wilder
48. Andrei Rublev (1966) - Andrei Tarkovsky
49. Jules et Jim (1961) - Francois Truffaut
50. 12 Angry Men (1957) - Sidney Lumet
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:16 AM   #247 (permalink)
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I'm wondering if people here actually know what cinematography is. For instance, cinematography cannot be ironic. Cinematography concerns the lighting of each scene and how shadows come into play on screen, it is not the angle of a shot, or how the blocking is set up in a shot, it is not the mis-en-scene, it is simply lighting. The director decides the camera angles and the blocking. And also, Cunning Stunt, cinematography is a legitimate argument for why a film is great if understood properly. Cinematography is easier to appreciate in a black and white film, where ALL film was was light and shadow. It's good that who you're argument also doesn't know much about cinematography. I will give you this, JFK isn't too great.

Film snob rant over.

I've actually done one of these lists before on a different forum. I've got a top 50 which I think is pretty damn good, but I was a film snob before I was a music snob so forgive me. However, ANY of these movies are HIGHLY recommended by me.

Favorite/best movies, with the director:

1. Raging Bull (1980) - Martin Scorsese
2. Apocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Ford Coppola
3. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) - David Lean
4. 8½ (1963) - Federico Fellini
5. Citizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles
6. The Godfather Part II (1974) - Francis Ford Coppola
7. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Stanley Kubrick
8. Taxi Driver (1976) - Martin Scorsese
9. Adaptation (2002) - Spike Jonze
10. Fargo (1995) - Joel Coen & Ethan Cohen
11. It's A Wonderful Life (1946) - Frank Capra
12. City of God (2002) - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund
13. Magnolia (1999) - Paul Thomas Anderson
14. Babel (2006) - Alejandro González Iñárritu
15. Boogie Nights (1997) - Paul Thomas Anderson
16. Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quentin Tarantino
17. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) - Stanley Kubrick
18. Blade Runner (1982) - Ridley Scott
19. Breathless (1959) - Jean-Luc Godard
20. L'Avventura (1960) - Michaelangelo Antonioni
21. A Clockwork Orange (1971) - Stanley Kubrick
22. Network (1976) - Sidney Lumet
23. There Will Be Blood (2007) - Paul Thomas Anderson
24. The Seventh Seal (1957) - Ingmar Bergman
25. Annie Hall (1977) - Woody Allen
26. American Splendor (2003) - Shari Springer Berman & Robert Pulcini
27. The Godfather (1972) - Francis Ford Coppola
28. The Searchers (1956) - John Ford
29. Aguirre: The Wrath of God (1972) - Werner Herzog
30. La Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini
31. Goodfellas (1990) - Martin Scorsese
32. Do the Right Thing (1989) - Spike Lee
33. Dekalog (1988) - Krszystof Kieslowski
34. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Milos Forman
35. Mean Streets (1973) - Martin Scorsese
36. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - Michel Gondry
37. The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) - Wes Anderson
38. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) - David Lean
39. Cabaret (1972) - Bob Fosse
40. Donnie Darko (2001) - Richard Kelly
41. Elephant (2003) - Gus Van Zandt
42. The Last Picture Show (1971) - Peter Bogdanovich
43. Eyes Wide Shut (1999) - Stanley Kubrick
44. Tokyo Story (1953) - Yasujiro Ozu
45. Mulholland Dr. (2001) - Richard Kelly
46. Chelsea Girls (1967) - Andy Warhol
47. Sunset Blvd. (1950) - Billy Wilder
48. Andrei Rublev (1966) - Andrei Tarkovsky
49. Jules et Jim (1961) - Francois Truffaut
50. 12 Angry Men (1957) - Sidney Lumet
That is a damn good list.
The only thing it's missing, which has been my favorite movie since I was a kid, is Stand By Me.
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Old 07-07-2010, 12:55 AM   #248 (permalink)
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I'm wondering if people here actually know what cinematography is. For instance, cinematography cannot be ironic. Cinematography concerns the lighting of each scene and how shadows come into play on screen, it is not the angle of a shot, or how the blocking is set up in a shot, it is not the mis-en-scene, it is simply lighting. The director decides the camera angles and the blocking. And also, Cunning Stunt, cinematography is a legitimate argument for why a film is great if understood properly. Cinematography is easier to appreciate in a black and white film, where ALL film was was light and shadow. It's good that who you're argument also doesn't know much about cinematography. I will give you this, JFK isn't too great.

Film snob rant over.

I've actually done one of these lists before on a different forum. I've got a top 50 which I think is pretty damn good, but I was a film snob before I was a music snob so forgive me. However, ANY of these movies are HIGHLY recommended by me.

Favorite/best movies, with the director:

1. Raging Bull (1980) - Martin Scorsese
2. Apocalypse Now (1979) - Francis Ford Coppola
3. Lawrence of Arabia (1962) - David Lean
4. 8½ (1963) - Federico Fellini
5. Citizen Kane (1941) - Orson Welles
6. The Godfather Part II (1974) - Francis Ford Coppola
7. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) - Stanley Kubrick
8. Taxi Driver (1976) - Martin Scorsese
9. Adaptation (2002) - Spike Jonze
10. Fargo (1995) - Joel Coen & Ethan Cohen
11. It's A Wonderful Life (1946) - Frank Capra
12. City of God (2002) - Fernando Meirelles & Kátia Lund
13. Magnolia (1999) - Paul Thomas Anderson
14. Babel (2006) - Alejandro González Iñárritu
15. Boogie Nights (1997) - Paul Thomas Anderson
16. Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quentin Tarantino
17. Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) - Stanley Kubrick
18. Blade Runner (1982) - Ridley Scott
19. Breathless (1959) - Jean-Luc Godard
20. L'Avventura (1960) - Michaelangelo Antonioni
21. A Clockwork Orange (1971) - Stanley Kubrick
22. Network (1976) - Sidney Lumet
23. There Will Be Blood (2007) - Paul Thomas Anderson
24. The Seventh Seal (1957) - Ingmar Bergman
25. Annie Hall (1977) - Woody Allen
26. American Splendor (2003) - Shari Springer Berman & Robert Pulcini
27. The Godfather (1972) - Francis Ford Coppola
28. The Searchers (1956) - John Ford
29. Aguirre: The Wrath of God (1972) - Werner Herzog
30. La Dolce Vita (1960) - Federico Fellini
31. Goodfellas (1990) - Martin Scorsese
32. Do the Right Thing (1989) - Spike Lee
33. Dekalog (1988) - Krszystof Kieslowski
34. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) - Milos Forman
35. Mean Streets (1973) - Martin Scorsese
36. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - Michel Gondry
37. The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) - Wes Anderson
38. The Bridge on the River Kwai (1957) - David Lean
39. Cabaret (1972) - Bob Fosse
40. Donnie Darko (2001) - Richard Kelly
41. Elephant (2003) - Gus Van Zandt
42. The Last Picture Show (1971) - Peter Bogdanovich
43. Eyes Wide Shut (1999) - Stanley Kubrick
44. Tokyo Story (1953) - Yasujiro Ozu
45. Mulholland Dr. (2001) - Richard Kelly
46. Chelsea Girls (1967) - Andy Warhol
47. Sunset Blvd. (1950) - Billy Wilder
48. Andrei Rublev (1966) - Andrei Tarkovsky
49. Jules et Jim (1961) - Francois Truffaut
50. 12 Angry Men (1957) - Sidney Lumet
while i can forgive many things you say because andrei rublev is on your list, you are completely off-base in your estimation of cinematography--it extends far beyond simply the positioning of lights. cinematography is the entire art behind how the film-image appears, everything from lighting to angle to stock of film used, filters, framing, focal-length, depth of field, tracking and a host of other considerations.
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The Godfather I & II
Goodfellas
Casino
Spun
The Panic in Needle Park
Drugstore Cowboy
Trainspotting
Cocaine Cowboys (Documentary, but its getting a spot.)
Requiem for a Dream

Eh, what can I say I have an obsession with the Mafia/Mobster/Gangster movies and drug movies. lol.
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while i can forgive many things you say because andrei rublev is on your list, you are completely off-base in your estimation of cinematography--it extends far beyond simply the positioning of lights. cinematography is the entire art behind how the film-image appears, everything from lighting to angle to stock of film used, filters, framing, focal-length, depth of field, tracking and a host of other considerations.
While some cinematographers may hold more of a sway on the artistic decisions in a film, for instance someone like Greg Toland, I believe most of the auteur directors choose their own angles and blocking (I assume that's what you mean by framing?). I really can't see someone like Godard letting his cinematographer choose the angle, unless the man was holding the camera and Godard wanted something to look improvised or perhaps sloppy. I find the angle of the camera and the framing and such to be the meat and potatoes of the art of film, and at least I'd like to think that the legendary directors plotted that stuff out in their minds, and let the cinematographer flesh out the technical details. Although I wholeheartedly agree about everything else like lenses and focal-length.

There are probably exceptions to everything though and each of us could probably bring up many examples to prove our respective points.
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