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Old 10-24-2016, 01:45 PM   #4471 (permalink)
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I watched up to season five and stopped because I thought it was predictable and repetitive. I also started to just not care about the characters. There are some fantastic episodes but there were also a lot of filler subplots and character decisions that I wasn't fond of. Twists can be great, but there were a lot that just felt forced.
I've seen parts of the later seasons but not full episodes or anything, and a lot of the suspense literally comes from making the audience wait for far too long for the pay out. I'm certainly okay with a bit of suspense, but at some point it gets super repetitive and starts to lose its charm when the show is made to cater to those that like the suspense. For me to enjoy it, each episode has to have something to offer, much like Breaking Bad did, and a lot of Prison Break had that as well. And even more recently, House of Cards, though the 4th season of that was a bit of a let down.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:24 AM   #4472 (permalink)
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I was already planning on watching Black Mirror but I'll give it a go tonight after reading that Twilight Zone comparison. Don't let me down, duga.
Oh, I thought that Black Mirror was a standard tv show, not one with stand alone episodes. I watched the first episode of the third season and thought that it was hilarious and really well written.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:46 AM   #4473 (permalink)
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I'm interested to see volumes 17-21 adapted from the comic into the television show and I like JDM as Negan. I only hope they carry this momentum into the next episodes and all the way into the All Out War arc. Haven't been this interested in two characters on TWD since Rick and Shane. I wasn't sure what to expect since I completely avoided spoilers but I like how brutal it was. One thing I'm looking at with this season is what they'll do with Morgan. They turned Morgan into a very hard to like character last season so where does it go from here with him? I wonder if he'll even survive into volume 22 and what role he'll play if so...

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I couldn't get into The Walking Dead past season 1 since it really felt overdone and the suspense goes on for way too long with little to no pay off. Breaking Bad did that far better and will always be a structure of what television should be like. I'm not going to watch a half hour episode of the same scenes shown in the previous episode then come to find out that the interesting stuff won't happen until the episode after it.
I agree completely.
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Old 10-25-2016, 05:02 AM   #4474 (permalink)
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I totally get it...and in that sense, it was very effective. But it's been years of every season the crew works towards something only to have it snatched away. The show has been on long enough that for me to keep going, I need to see a legitimate light at the end of tunnel. I'm getting fed up with every effort to survive seeming futile for the characters.
Have you read the comics ? I can say I felt the same - the endless cycle of "were safe, ooops new group, kill kill, we're safe" is getting tiresome.. I can't tell you how the story develops from this point on without any spoilers, but I'll try to keep them minimal:

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In the comics, and from what I saw in the teasers in the tv show, meeting Neegan is the beginning of a paradigm shift in the world of the walking dead, suddenly our heroes realize they really are not alone, that there are other groups and settlements, suddenly .. politics appears. And after a while, when this situation is resolved, the comic does something I cannot praise it highly enough for - it pushes the action several years forward. We see societies, civilization, trade.. we see people fully adapt to the world, in one way or another.


Yes, the above "spoiler" contains, as it might be deduced, spoilers Generally though I focused on how the world changes, not the fates of characters or specific plot lines.
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Old 10-25-2016, 06:09 AM   #4475 (permalink)
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^ don't read if you wanna avoid S7/8/9 spoilers.
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Have you read the comics ? I can say I felt the same - the endless cycle of "were safe, ooops new group, kill kill, we're safe" is getting tiresome.. I can't tell you how the story develops from this point on without any spoilers, but I'll try to keep them minimal:

Spoiler for spoiler:
In the comics, and from what I saw in the teasers in the tv show, meeting Neegan is the beginning of a paradigm shift in the world of the walking dead, suddenly our heroes realize they really are not alone, that there are other groups and settlements, suddenly .. politics appears. And after a while, when this situation is resolved, the comic does something I cannot praise it highly enough for - it pushes the action several years forward. We see societies, civilization, trade.. we see people fully adapt to the world, in one way or another.


Yes, the above "spoiler" contains, as it might be deduced, spoilers Generally though I focused on how the world changes, not the fates of characters or specific plot lines.
I debated reading your spoiler, but since I'm about to lose hope for the show anyway, I read it to see if there is some potentially interesting stuff in store. I'll go ahead and put what I think in spoiler tags too:

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Now THAT is why I started watching TWD in the first place. Since most zombie stories take place in movies, we only ever get like 1.5-2 hours of action, so the movies rarely explore how the surviving humans can recover, adapt, and interact with other surviving settlements. Romero's Living Dead series tried to cover it a bit with movies like Land of the Dead, but after Day of the Dead, the series turned to total crap. I was so excited that there was finally going to be a zombie TV show where they could really explore these things. But now it's been season after season of the same **** I was just complaining about - if they are FINALLY getting to how humanity can potentially recover, I'll stick with it.
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That's exactly why I wrote that spoiler as I probably would have quit the tv show a while back if I didn't know how the story developed. I would want to know if "there is more to this", and I would have assumed there isn't and simply quit watching the show. Of course it all depends on how they go about it and what changes they'll make (there are quite a few key differences between the comics and the tv show, the story is roughly the same but personal stories of characters differ greatly).
Anyway, while the WD is good/bad/whatever, Westworld is getting more and more amazing imo. Sure it's rather slow and after 4 episodes no one knows what the show is really about, but it's done so well and the speculation .. I honestly can't remember the last time people were so enthusiastically exchanging theories.

I also have to say that while initially I didn't care for Ed Harris in this that much, after the 4th episode where we see a bit more of the man as the dreaded Man in Black, I think I misjudged him initially.
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The first two episodes of Black Mirror are really good, especially the second one with the Nineteen Eighty-Four vibe. Gonna binge.
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I also have to say that while initially I didn't care for Ed Harris in this that much, after the 4th episode where we see a bit more of the man as the dreaded Man in Black, I think I misjudged him initially.
First episode was meh, second piqued my interest, by the third episode I find myself really wanting to know what happens. I love the way they slowly trickle in information through each episode. I love trying to figure out Ed Harris's character.

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The world building is done in such a way that it doesn't hold your hand, and I love that. For example, one of my first questions was if you couldn't get hurt, how is it a challenge? They answered that when the one guy on the business trip tried to break up a shootout and got shot himself. We are slowly getting more info about Ed Harris, too - apparently, he's a big shot in the real world since that one guy in his group went up to him being all fanboyish and Ed Harris threatened him since he's "on vacation".


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The first two episodes of Black Mirror are really good, especially the second one with the Nineteen Eighty-Four vibe. Gonna binge.
Yeah, that was the one that really stuck with me. I'm through episode 4 and while I don't think there has been one individual story that rises to the top, they have all been consistently good.
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One more thing about TWD:

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At one point in time I think near the end of the first season they were still trying to figure out what was going on by getting to the CDC. For some reason they switched to just only survival and getting by and gave up the dream of trying to figure out what's going on. It did come back in that one season when they were going to head to DC and find out but the path to DC wasn't a good route to go. I'd love a fast forward time jump any second. I'm a bit tired of seeing these smaller communities all the time that has one charismatic leader that you can or maybe can't trust. They keep going back and forth with this concept.
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