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Paedantic Basterd 09-21-2017 09:09 PM

Re: Attack on Titan

**** you guys, I loved that ****.

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1874682)
Decided to finally check out Breaking Bad.
Pretty good, although not as awesome as everyone makes it out to be and most of the side-plots are just filler to me.

I thought Breaking Bad was just okay until I finished it. The last 10 or so episodes are wild.
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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1871264)
One of the shows I intended to watch, but it's been years and I still haven't gotten around to it. So... basically, not worth it? Sure would save me some time.

It's short. It's like 26 episodes. That said, eh. I don't feel like I gained anything from watching it.

Frownland 09-21-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1875974)
I thought Breaking Bad was just okay until I finished it. The last 10 or so episodes are wild.

It didn't feel as thought out or rewarding as the earlier seasons for me, but it could just be that it's a pretty different animal. It takes on a far more cinematic feel in the last season.

Spoiler for .":
I wish that the ending was a little more open ended for Walter though. That being said, I'm never happy with endings to things I've put a lot of time into.

Paedantic Basterd 09-21-2017 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1875982)
It didn't feel as thought out or rewarding as the earlier seasons for me, but it could just be that it's a pretty different animal. It takes on a far more cinematic feel in the last season.

Spoiler for .":
I wish that the ending was a little more open ended for Walter though. That being said, I'm never happy with endings to things I've put a lot of time into.

To be honest, I hated Walt. I quit watching the series for about 2 years because I hated Walt so much. One day I realized that I was spending my free time making myself angry, and I quit. I only finished it because I realized at some point that I'd bailed at the end of the series and only had ~10 episodes to go, so I figured I might as well finish it.

Frownland 09-21-2017 09:47 PM

Not that he isn't a real bastard, but I wonder if you were in a different frame of mind when you returned to it and would feel differently if you rewatched it.

Paedantic Basterd 09-21-2017 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1875986)
Not that he isn't a real bastard, but I wonder if you were in a different frame of mind when you returned to it and would feel differently if you rewatched it.

I won't say no or that I'll never do it, but TV dramas have nearly no rewatch value for me. The time investment is too great to repeat when there are no surprises in the plot to drive me forward watching it.

Walter's arrogance was incredibly off-putting for me, especially when it blinded him to the possibility of danger. He made a number of stupid and hurtful decisions in the name of pride that did nothing but bring harm to... basically every other named character in the series. He's the worst piece of **** I've seen on TV. Credit where credit is due, that's because of some amazing writing and acting, but it was still a challenging experience for me to finish watching it.

Frownland 09-21-2017 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Paedantic Basterd (Post 1875989)
I won't say no or that I'll never do it, but TV dramas have nearly no rewatch value for me. The time investment is too great to repeat when there are no surprises in the plot to drive me forward watching it.

Walter's arrogance was incredibly off-putting for me, especially when it blinded him to the possibility of danger. He made a number of stupid and hurtful decisions in the name of pride that did nothing but bring harm to... basically every other named character in the series. He's the worst piece of **** I've seen on TV. Credit where credit is due, that's because of some amazing writing and acting, but it was still a challenging experience for me to finish watching it.

He certainly is a right and selfish twat. His character is probably one of the best examples of hubris in art that I can think of.

Paedantic Basterd 09-21-2017 10:16 PM

Continues to explore anime.

Spoiler for Attack on Titan:
On the contrary, I loved this. The primary characters are admittedly a bit lacking in the charisma department, but the story is compelling and contains next to no filler. I think the series really demonstrates how to mete out information to an audience. It's loaded with quick-paced action and some beautiful animation. Having a difficult time waiting until the next season.


Spoiler for Neon Genesis Evangelion:
I have always understood this to be one of anime's classic series, howeverrrrrr... I have a low tolerance for tonal shifts, whiny characters, unanswered questions, and deliberately confusing endings. I wanted to like this because I'm supposed to like it, but it didn't resonate with me and the last 2 minutes of End of Evangelion made me want to put my fist through my laptop screen.

I also have a deep seated hatred of Freudian psychology that probably made the experience a lot worse than it needed to be, but I can't hold that against Batty or Frowny because I don't think anybody knew that about me.

I'm sorry. I feel genuinely bad about it.


Spoiler for Baccano!:
This was straight up fun. I wish it'd been a hair longer, just so we could really get deeper into the colossal cast of characters, but apart from that, it was such a fun story. Baccano is a different sort of confusing from Evangelion in that it's convoluted, but still provides the vast majority of information necessary to sort out a story told through 18 characters intersecting over 3 different time periods all at the same time. It's "confusing" the way Inception and Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency are "confusing", not in the way David Lynch is confusing.


Spoiler for Cowboy Bebop:
This is another classic that let me down. There was nothing really wrong with it (I liked the characters and the world, and it was fun), but every episode was just a bunch of people doing random crap. I just prefer serialized story telling and I wish there'd been a stronger series arc than ~4 episodes in total pertaining to Vicious and the Syndicate.


Currently watching

Spoiler for Stein's Gate:
Too early to tell how it's gonna be. It's mildly interesting, but the characters are all really flat, except for the lead character, who is a ginormous tool. It's one of those ones that's going to depend on the ending, I think.


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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1875992)
He certainly is a right and selfish twat. His character is probably one of the best examples of hubris in art that I can think of.

I have to agree with you. I can hate a character, but admit that they're an amazing piece of work because they elicited that reaction from me.

Lilja 09-21-2017 10:43 PM

"Salvation"..I really liked this show. About a MIT grad student and a tech genius (essentially a homage to Elon Musk) trying to create something to push a world-ending meteor of its course. It really is a good show and now that I have seen the final episode, I read that it probably will not get a second season...oh come on! Don't leave us hanging! I HATE when you get into a show and it ends on a cliffhanger (such as both V shows, "Forever")....really ticks me off.

Frownland 09-21-2017 10:44 PM

RE: Evangelion those tone shifts are incredibly abrupt and there are definitely some annoying ass characters. That annoyed me too and is a roadblock between me and anime. I'll note that I appreciate the approach of that show (although the symbolism should have most definitely been toned the **** down) more than the philosophy, but I think I need a rewatch before I can respond coherently on the rest of it.

Goofle 09-21-2017 11:05 PM

Regarding Dragon Ball Super, I think Whis is the most fabulously camp character I've seen since James on Pokemon. And I actually enjoy how completely silly the whole show is.

The Batlord 09-22-2017 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1876002)
Regarding Dragon Ball Super, I think Whis is the most fabulously camp character I've seen since James on Pokemon. And I actually enjoy how completely silly the whole show is.

Vegeta is a ball of zany fun this time around, which was refreshing from four seasons of him just being kind of a two-dimensional dick.

Trollheart 09-22-2017 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1875998)
"Salvation"..I really liked this show. About a MIT grad student and a tech genius (essentially a homage to Elon Musk) trying to create something to push a world-ending meteor of its course. It really is a good show and now that I have seen the final episode, I read that it probably will not get a second season...oh come on! Don't leave us hanging! I HATE when you get into a show and it ends on a cliffhanger (such as both V shows, "Forever")....really ticks me off.

I hate that too, but you do surprise me. The original V didn't end on anything like a cliffhanger (the revamp did, how annoying) and Forever, fantastic show that it was, wrapped things up fairly well I thought.

Lilja 09-22-2017 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1876062)
I hate that too, but you do surprise me. The original V didn't end on anything like a cliffhanger (the revamp did, how annoying) and Forever, fantastic show that it was, wrapped things up fairly well I thought.

Yes it did. ..did Diana blow up the shuttle or did the peace talks happen? No idea.. they cancelled it. Why did the guy live forever? They started talking about his origin story..then the show was cancelled. Remember that Steven Spielberg dino show a few years ago? They sent a friggin t rex into the future. What happaned next? Never finished
..bastards.

Trollheart 09-22-2017 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1876069)
Yes it did. ..did Diana blow up the shuttle or did the peace talks happen? No idea.. they cancelled it. Why did the guy live forever? They started talking about his origin story..then the show was cancelled. Remember that Steven Spielberg dino show a few years ago? They sent a friggin t rex into the future. What happaned next? Never finished
..bastards.

There are, sadly, a lot of shows that get cancelled without fulfilling their story arc. It's been decades since I saw the original V, but I thought the kid saved them, the "star child"? Anyway, I didn't consider it a cliffhanger and given the ratings the show got - especially among those not into sci-fi - I would have been surprised had it been cancelled. Surely you saw V - The Final Battle? As for Terra Nova, that could **** right off: I didn't empathise with any of the characters and I stopped watching after a few episodes. As for Forever, sure they didn't finish it, but given how similar show New Amsterdam ended, I think they did a decent job of wrapping it up as best they could. Reminds me in a way of the end of Ripper Street, which kind of has no real ending, as such, but still ends the only way it could reasonably be expected to.

The Batlord 09-22-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1876106)
There are, sadly, a lot of shows that get cancelled without fulfilling their story arc. It's been decades since I saw the original V, but I thought the kid saved them, the "star child"? Anyway, I didn't consider it a cliffhanger and given the ratings the show got - especially among those not into sci-fi - I would have been surprised had it been cancelled. Surely you saw V - The Final Battle? As for Terra Nova, that could **** right off: I didn't empathise with any of the characters and I stopped watching after a few episodes. As for Forever, sure they didn't finish it, but given how similar show New Amsterdam ended, I think they did a decent job of wrapping it up as best they could. Reminds me in a way of the end of Ripper Street, which kind of has no real ending, as such, but still ends the only way it could reasonably be expected to.

Lol I just watched Terra Nova cause I didn't have the internet or Cable, so it was kind one of my only options for sci fi. But yeah it was never particularly good.

Trollheart 09-22-2017 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1876118)
Lol I just watched Terra Nova cause I didn't have the internet or Cable, so it was kind one of my only options for sci fi. But yeah it was never particularly good.

I watched it cos it was Spielberg, and, I thought, a chance to kind of get a "Jurassic Park series", but it failed wildly and I lost interest really quickly. Just shows that having a mega name attached to your show doesn't guarantee you immunity from the network axe! :laughing: One of the few times they actually got it right.

Frownland 09-22-2017 03:08 PM

Well there's your problem. You watch Spielberg if nothing else is on, you don't just up and make time for him like that.

djchameleon 09-22-2017 03:19 PM

I only kept watching Terra Nova because I started it and just wanted to see where they would go. I realize it wasn't that great. I have all of Salvation on my dvr. I haven't watched it yet.

Midnight, Texas ended so well. I hope it gets a second season but I wouldn't be disappointed if it didnt.

Lilja 09-22-2017 07:39 PM

I liked Terra Nova. It took a while to get into but really started rolling after a few episodes. It wasn't life changing or anything but after work, I really don't care much for the intellectual route when it comes to it.

Did Midnight, Texas get any better? Only got through one episode.

And I think Forever could have ended better. Like explaining why he lived forever for one thing. I wish writers of cancelled shows would just publish online how the show would have ended if they had got the money to finish it proper.


And there was a bomb on the Star Child's ship c/o Diana . But the show ended so who knows

Trollheart 09-23-2017 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1876122)
Well there's your problem. You watch Spielberg if nothing else is on, you don't just up and make time for him like that.

Yes, I learned my lesson there for sure. Sometimes it does work though. FFC was behind First Wave, and that was amazing AND finished its full run of three seasons, with a satisfying ending.
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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1876191)
I liked Terra Nova. It took a while to get into but really started rolling after a few episodes. It wasn't life changing or anything but after work, I really don't care much for the intellectual route when it comes to it.

Did Midnight, Texas get any better? Only got through one episode.

And I think Forever could have ended better. Like explaining why he lived forever for one thing. I wish writers of cancelled shows would just publish online how the show would have ended if they had got the money to finish it proper.


And there was a bomb on the Star Child's ship c/o Diana . But the show ended so who knows

Are you ret ... did you not watch the ending?

Diana activates the doomsday device aboard the Los Angeles ship before shooting John, who did not want any part of it. Mike, Julie, Elias, and Lorraine get pinned down by Visitor troops in a ventilation tunnel. The Red Dust begins to circulate, killing more soldiers. Martin joins up with them as they face Diana on the bridge, where Lorraine and Mike attempt to disarm the auto-destruct sequence. The other rebels and Visitors evacuate the ship while Martin attempts to move the ship up and out of the atmosphere beyond Earth orbit. Diana uses her conversion of Julie to distract her long enough to escape. Using deus ex machina, Elizabeth steps up and stops the countdown with her latent superhuman powers. Martin then brings the mother-ship back to Earth.

As for Forever, they explained (inasmuch as they were going to) what happened to Henry that he lived forever. I really don't think, even had the show got ten seasons, they would ever have looked too deeply into the cause, as that was the mystery behind the show. I repeat that I think they ended it as best they could. It's not always necessary to tie everything up in a pretty bow. Look at the ending of the revamp of V: now there was a ****ing cliffhanger, and an annoying one too.

Lilja 09-24-2017 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1876507)


As for Forever, they explained (inasmuch as they were going to) what happened to Henry that he lived forever. I really don't think, even had the show got ten seasons, they would ever have looked too deeply into the cause, as that was the mystery behind the show. I repeat that I think they ended it as best they could. It's not always necessary to tie everything up in a pretty bow. Look at the ending of the revamp of V: now there was a ****ing cliffhanger, and an annoying one too.

You know, to be honest, I never knew she ever stopped that bomb (Not a Wikipedia fan here...I guess I could have looked it up there but I never have).Thank you. The question does remain though, who won? Did they ever get help?

And no, I don't think they ended Forever as best that they could considering that it only got one season. I like when strings are tied up at the end of shows. Considering I watch about maybe 4-5 series on TV on a continual basis, when one pitters out it becomes a bit annoying.

And I saw the new V...figured the ending was just some kind of homage to the first series..a "You will never know who ever wins".

Trollheart 09-24-2017 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilja (Post 1876547)
You know, to be honest, I never knew she ever stopped that bomb (Not a Wikipedia fan here...I guess I could have looked it up there but I never have).Thank you. The question does remain though, who won? Did they ever get help?

And no, I don't think they ended Forever as best that they could considering that it only got one season. I like when strings are tied up at the end of shows. Considering I watch about maybe 4-5 series on TV on a continual basis, when one pitters out it becomes a bit annoying.

And I saw the new V...figured the ending was just some kind of homage to the first series..a "You will never know who ever wins".

So you didn't watch the last episode then? Oh. Well in that case sorry but I have no sympathy for your anger at the cliffhanger ending that wasn't. No offence, but that's like walking out ten minutes before a movie ends and then endlessly complaining about the ending. How did you not see V:tFB? Anyway, yes it was completely tied up: the kid saved them and the visitors were going to live in peace with the humans. Diana had escaped, so yes, that was left as a loose end, presumably to tie in if it got another season but it was pretty much done at that point.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying about Forever. I would have preferred a better ending too (what about the dagger Judas was supposed to have used, or whatever? That kind of went nowhere, and it was obviously supposed to be a major plot device) but we don't know how much notice the writers were given before they were told they weren't being renewed, and maybe they had to scramble to write a satisfactory ending, which I think they did. It could have been a lot worse. Some shows have ended with... what? But what happened next? And you never know. Look at The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Now there's a ****ing annoying cliffhanger ending!

As for the new V: well it was pretty obvious who won there. Terrible ending, just terrible, and I thought it had real potential.

djchameleon 09-25-2017 06:39 PM

Boo shame on CBS for cock teasing Star Trek Discovery with one episode then saying you have to pay up to watch the rest of the season which will STILL be released only weekly. They want to get the most out of your sub fees to their streaming service.

RiPS 09-25-2017 06:45 PM

I've recently gotten into Supernatural.

Oriphiel 09-25-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RiPS (Post 1877074)
I've recently gotten into Supernatural.

Welcome to the family, son.

RiPS 09-25-2017 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1877076)
Welcome to the family, son.


Why, thank you.

I'm in Season One and so far I think it's amazing!

djchameleon 09-25-2017 07:16 PM

Stop after Season Five. Not worth the headache afterwards.

RiPS 09-25-2017 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1877087)
Stop after Season Five. Not worth the headache afterwards.

Thanks for the advice; I wasn't sure I would go past Season Three, because I've been told it is best in the first two to three seasons, then it stops being good and becomes meh.

djchameleon 09-25-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RiPS (Post 1877088)
Thanks for the advice; I wasn't sure I would go past Season Three, because I've been told it is best in the first two to three seasons, then it stops being good and becomes meh.

The big bad from Season 3 is worth pushing those next two seasons but completely your choice.

Trollheart 09-25-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel (Post 1877076)
Welcome to the family, son.

That's daughter, not son.

Yac 09-26-2017 01:53 AM

Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams



Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams (TV Series 2017

I used to read a lot of his short stories when I was a teen. I loved them and to a large extent, they shaped me.
I only saw the pilot so far, and every episode is a self contained story, so I can't really judge fully, but...
This tv series.. it's not for everybody.
The pilot episode made it very clear to me. I loved it, but I sort of knew what I was getting into.
Visually it was.. well, stunning is not the right word, but it was really powerful - a dirty, concrete dystopian future full of angry people, class divide and poverty. A dirty, broken world.
The episode tells a story of a duo of government workers in this world - a police detective and a telepath assigned to help him, in a city on the brink of a revolution of some sorts. I won't spoil the story though, so that's all I'm gonna write about it. Here's a link to a lovely shot from the episode, it's a bit too big to paste it directly.

Now, why is it not for everybody ? I saw folks raging in the comments section of imdb about it, so I know it's an issue. Thing is, these stories were written many decades ago. A ton of popular sf, movies etc are based on the ideas Dick had. This might suggest these plots are unoriginal or shallow even, when in fact quite often they are the idea in the form it appeared. If the series follows in the footsteps of the pilot, and I don't see why not, they will have fairly simple plots. In my eyes, that's not really a problem - as long as they're executed well, and again, judging by what I saw, they should be.
8/10 so far, it's something different.

Zhanteimi 09-26-2017 02:51 AM

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Stephen 09-26-2017 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Yac (Post 1877135)
Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams

Cool didn't realise it was out yet. Will have to check it out this weekend. Shift change at work has really put a stop to my tv bingeing.

Goofle 09-26-2017 05:32 AM

I'm gonna have to watch that as well.

Trollheart 09-26-2017 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mord (Post 1877137)
Star Trek: Discovery is out! I hope it's good. Watching the first two episodes as a family tomorrow evening.

Isn't there something about having to pay to watch that? Someone was complaining about it in another thread.

djchameleon 09-26-2017 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1877179)
Isn't there something about having to pay to watch that? Someone was complaining about it in another thread.

He probably got a torrent of them or something.
But yeah CBS is charging 5 bucks a month for their streaming service to watch.

Trollheart 09-26-2017 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1877265)
He probably got a torrent of them or something.
But yeah CBS is charging 5 bucks a month for their streaming service to watch.

I suppose that's the future now. :( Not like we don't already pay enough for our satellite TV services, now it'll be a PPV too. Bastards.

djchameleon 09-26-2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1877268)
I suppose that's the future now. :( Not like we don't already pay enough for our satellite TV services, now it'll be a PPV too. Bastards.

They are just greedy. They see successes like Netflix and Hulu and want their own piece of the pie. Internationally you guys luck out, I hear that it will be on Netflix for you to watch, idk the timing on that though. They just want to stick it to the US customers.

Chula Vista 09-26-2017 09:19 PM

The Handmaids Tale.

7 episodes in. It deserves all of the Emmys it won. Especially Elisabeth Moss. She's absolutely brilliant in it.

It's freaky watching a work of fiction that could easily become reality in the near future if a faction of the powerful men in this country were to become a very large majority.

Trollheart 09-27-2017 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1877289)
They are just greedy. They see successes like Netflix and Hulu and want their own piece of the pie. Internationally you guys luck out, I hear that it will be on Netflix for you to watch, idk the timing on that though. They just want to stick it to the US customers.

Well that's certainly good news. Thanks.


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