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Next Gen > Deep Space Nine > Voyager > Enterprise

Actually, the original series would be somewhere around the first two for me also. Loved watching re-runs of that show.

Oh, I forgot to mention what I've been watching:


On Netflix of course. That's where all us American's watch British TV shows these days.

I loved this show. I watch the whole series in about 2 evenings (it's only two seasons of 6 episodes each). As much as I love zombies, it was strangely refreshing to watch a post-apocalyptic survival show that didn't feature them. Also, I loved Tom. His character was definitely the most complicated and interesting for me.

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Janszoon

I wouldn't call myself a trekkie either, but if you like TNG you probably would like some of the other stuff too.

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The Batlord

**** it, it's not like there's anything particularly hot going on in this thread. Let's go.

Having said that, I haven't seen Deep Space Nine, Voyager, or Enterprise in years, so I can't really rate them, but I pretty much remember watching them all pretty religiously. None of the Star Trek series was bad. Though the fact that, in Enterprise, they pretty much skipped over the whole war with the Romulans (**** you spell check, it's a perfectly good word!) and had the Sulabons (Don't know if I spelled that right, don't care) be the main enemies was ****ing stupid. Or so I remember. I was in military school and unable to watch it for a large part of it's run. Which also made me miss Firefly the first time around too.

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Trollheart

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

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Trollheart

Right, well, if anyone takes offence/gets bored let me know, but since the gauntlet has been thrown down....

Without quoting a boring Wiki entry (which I would NEVER do!) the basic thing is that NexGen, for all its great reception, was the first Trek series ever after the original, so everyone jumped on it. Some loved it, some hated it, some hated it then came to love it, few loved it then came to hate it. The first season was pretty poor, mostly due to stiff characters, little development and recycled TOS (The Original Series: Kirk, Spock, that lot) episodes, often with hardly any original writing at all. Plus original Trek creator Gene Roddenberry maintained a vice-like grip over the storylines.

The seasons improved after his stepping back from the executive producer role, and later his passing, and the series introduced some of the best ever characters, with Data's character development being particularly well handled, the greatest ever Star Trek villains, the BORG being introduced, the superb episodes like "Yesterday's Enterprise", "Cause and effect", "Sins of the father" and of course "Best of both worlds", the BORG, Wesley getting kicked off the series, Bev coming back, the BORG, Picard getting his end away, Riker meeting his double (setting up some interesting episodes later, in other series), Data's cat turning from male to female without any explanation and giving birth, silly episodes like "Rascals", "A fistful of Datas", "Masks", the appearance of Q, the BORG, the Ferengi, the return of Kah'less, the possibility hinted at of Troi and Worf getting together, oh yes, and the BORG.

DS9 was the first Trek series to "go dark", introducing more adult themes, wars, betrayals, conspiracies, and characters who firmly straddled the line between dark and light, like Garak and Gul Ducat. Decisions weren't as clear cut or easy in DS9, and quite often the "good guys" did bad things, all in the name of the Federation. It was also the first series to properly challenge the holier-than-thou attitude of said Federation, and introduce a "black ops" element within the organisation. Finally, DS9 was more arc-driven than any of the others, with episodes often/usually leading into others, and huge plot strands being expanded and developed over often months or years.

Voyager was basically a soap opera in space, with a few good episodes but a major drawback in that no matter how bad the ship got hit, it was always back to top condition next episode. Decisions taken in one ep rarely if ever had consequences in future ones, and can I just say FAIR HAVEN!!!??? Say no more, for those who know.

Enterprise I quickly lost interest in so I can't talk authoritatively about it, but I did feel the characters were less engaging, the stories quite weak and I thought Scott Bakula made a poor and not believable captain. I even preferred Janeway to him, that's how little I rate him.

Well, my phasers and photon torpedo banks are fully charged, and power has been routed to the shields, so let's have ya!

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skripka

The Mentalist (2008) is one of my top tv shows. I just finished first season of ustralian tv show Winners and Losers (2011).

The Batlord

I pretty much agree with everything you've said, and it's been too long and I watched so little of Enterprise that I can't really argue with you on that, but...

What's wrong with that? If you can get past the cheese factor, soap operas are quite entertaining.
You mean, like the original series and Next Generation?
Doesn't ring a bell, so I'll just end with this to show Voyager's quality...



...and you've just been served.

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The IT Crowd (UK), though it looks like it got cancelled

Mojo

^^ It didn't get cancelled. It bwas actually commissioned for another series but the writers have since said there wont be one. I'm not sure why but I think its a decision they have made. It definitely wasnt cancelled.

There is still talk of a special and even maybe a film.

What did you not like about Episodes? Personally I have been enjoying it.

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Trollheart

1. Soap operas are fine if you like them (I don't) but I don't expect my favourite franchise (well, second favourite: Babylon 5 will always be my first love!) to go in that direction. Space opera? Dear God!

2. TOS, sure, nothing followed on, but then times and TV were different them, and Roddenberry was fighting against some pretty entrenched and, by today's standards, outdated ideas about what made good TV. As for NG, well firstly the ship usually didn't get hit that much, but if it did there were always the starbases where it could get fixed up --- Voyager being in the Delta Quadrant and far from same nevertheless seemed shiny new every episode, no matter the pummelling it had taken the previous week.

As for consequences, well certainly when Picard was taken by the Borg this came back to haunt him for years afterwards, Data's evil brother cropped up from time to time, Riker's on/off romance with Troi kept coming up, there were repercussions to Yar's death... need I go on? NextGen was more episodic than DS9, but at least there was a basic continuing storyline and previous occurrences would be referred back to and often influence future eps. Never happened in Voyager. Janeway made and broke alliances like there was no tomorrow, and other than "Dark horizon", there seemed to be no comeback. Hell, she "murdered" Tuvix and did anyone care? I mean, later? What about the Maquis? They just all accepted Starfleet's rules and became good officers? Yeah...

3. Fair bleedin' Haven was their holodeck idea of what a "typical Irish town" should be. Really bugged the hell out of me, as it wasn't even played for laughs. (Your pic didn't work by the way, not sure why)

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