Upon further reflection I think that Marvel's deal with Sony to put Spider-Man in Marvel movies was Marvel bitching Sony. Sony's revived Spider-Man with James Garfield didn't go the way they wanted, after which they deep-sixed their plans for that series, and the new Fantastic Four movie absolutely bombed, so they are effectively bringing no clout to the deal.

Marvel on the other hand have had success after success, and the new Spider-Man, for whom Sony should have had the rights, appeared in not a Sony movie but a Marvel movie. After which the next Spider-Man movie was a Marvel movie, including Robert Downey Jr. and absolutely no characters from any of Sony's movies. So deal or not Spider-Man is now in effect a Marvel Cinematic Universe character (which is everything that Marvel could ever wish for) that Sony will hopefully be able to milk (which is a complete power disparity).

And with the new Venom movie being a relaunch of Sony's superhero line they have no opportunity to use any of their previous characters in any Marvel movies, so the only thing they can hope to gain from the deal is using Marvel's Spider-Man to boost hype for their movies and pray that any characters they produce from any new projects will gain enough popularity that Marvel will want to put them in their own films.

Sony got sonned, yo. Good.

:laughing:

Marvel's like:

"You fckin up your own sht, give it here"

Did sony also make the first 2 fantastic 4 movies? Cause i kinda like those but that last F4 movie was pure garbage.

I liked the Amazing Spider-Man cause of his relationship with Gwen. In terms of a love interest she's been the best so far but the New Spider-Man is more entertaining.

Oh **** no FF4 was Fox. So Sony have even less to bring to the table. I liked the new Amazing Spider-Man movies too to an extent. Emma Stone was a great Gwen Stacy and Andrew Garfield got a **** version of Peter Parker to play but still did admirably, and he was the best quipper of all of them. He did a great actual Spider-Man. Too bad the movies themselves didn't live up to their performances.

I blame Jamie Foxx goofy ass performance for their downfall. Him and Dennis Leary that joke stealing hack. I think this new iteration of Spider-Man brings a better dynamic to the marvel movies, that young pup comedic relief thing overall works better with the whole scheme of things. Over complicating this new spidey with boring adult drama would just lead to the old Tobey spidey movies so keeping him in that teenage time frame with a light hearted less dramatic tone is a good move imo.

The problem with Spider-Man movies is that they don't get how dark Spider-Man really was back in the day. Spider-Man was always all about the soap opera melodrama, but Peter Parker was a dark character who quipped to escape the miserable nature of his existence. It's a very subtle characterization to get right. He wasn't a boring emo loser, he was a high functioning autist with possible bipolar disorder. Many of his stories were dark and depressing, but never goofy and campy.

A lot of that characterization has been lost in modern times, but I'd love to see a truly representative version of the character from the 60s to the 80s.

Read early Spider-Man. The dude could go from friendly to hateful towards his friends and loved ones at the drop of a dime, and I imagine that was all due to his early characterization by Jack Kirby, who definitely comes across as autistic and possibly bipolar. Early Spider-Man was not exactly feel good. It was nerd literature for actual nerds by an actual nerd, with all the bitterness that that entails.

I guess I might as well just put this here.

https://i.imgur.com/zjZtmti.jpg

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Even I liked it...

I'm interested in finding out more about this series:

Lady Mechanika
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loving the artwork:
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Also,

Above The Timberline
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Reading through Dazzler's solo series. All she wants is to get down with the Disco and New Wave and shit (she's already jammed to DEVO and E.L.O. while skating around and frying eyeballs), and yet every mother fucker from Doctor Doom to The Enchantress to fucking Galactus the god damn eater of worlds has gotta bust in to wreck her concerts.

First issue is awesome. Dazzler wins an audition for a spot as a singer at a Disco, beating Enchantress who wanted to stay close to the club 'cause it was connected to some magical dimensional rift or some shit. Enchantress gets pissed, teleports to Dazzler's first show and tries to kill her on stage, not knowing that literally every Marvel superhero is in the audience. Peter Parker is like "Oh shit!", ditches MJ, runs to the bathroom to slip into his Spidey suit, and finds it filled with alter egos changing into their costumes as they all get ready to wreck some Asgardian ass. :laughing:

Every issue after is still fun, and there are a lot of high points, but there's also annoying soap opera love interest drama crap, 'cause that's really what people who read superhero comics like, right? But whatever, Dazzler is stylish enough that even the will-they-won't-they stuff is eclipsed.

Btw, I've gotta give kudos to the series for making Enchantress actually kind of fucking scary. Like, damn, she can really fuck people up.