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DwnWthVwls 06-01-2018 02:45 PM

I need to finish Pan before I go shopping again. I've never purchased a TPB, but I feel like I don't want any. I like the hardcover, multiple issue editions.

The Batlord 06-01-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1956995)
I need to finish Pan before I go shopping again. I've never purchased a TPB, but I feel like I don't want any. I like the hardcover, multiple issue editions.

http://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Sunstone/TPB-1?id=56324

DwnWthVwls 06-01-2018 02:54 PM

Ohh, interesting. I still want a tangible copy but at least now i can decide if its worth the money. Thanks.

The Batlord 06-01-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1957002)
Ohh, interesting. I still want a tangible copy but at least now i can decide if its worth the money. Thanks.

That site is amazing btw. The search function is kind of sub-par but there's not much I've looked for that it didn't have. If you want to read every Batman comic ever written (and I know you do) then you can without even having to download anything.

The Batlord 06-01-2018 07:53 PM

Berserk
Writer/Artist: Kentaro Miura
August 25, 1989 – Present



https://i.imgur.com/FU3louy.jpg


I'm putting this here because manga is a form of comic and nobody cares about the anime thread. Suck it.

It's been a few years since I read Berserk but I've read the first 6 volumes (each equal to about a TPB for American comics ftr) quite a few times over the last decade but could never find the next in the series in physical stores, so now I'm gonna slowly buy the volumes one-by-one from Amazon. I've read pirated, online copies of most of the still continuing series as of a few years ago, but those were fan-translated and at times you could tell not by a native English speaker. Now I get to painstakingly reread 38 GODDAMN VOLUMES of one of the three best things about anime and manga. Awesome.

What is Berserk? Well I'm glad you asked. Berserk is a diseased combination of alternate medieval history and Lovecraftian horror where the good things are bad and the bad things can do worse than just eat you. Berserk is also one of the most graphically violent things you'll ever read in the world of comics, because anything less wouldn't do justice to the hideously crapsack world of this book. If you tried to argue that the level of violence was gratuitous and borderline pornographic then I'd shrug lamely and tell you it works perfectly in the context of Berserk's nihilistic atmosphere. Deal with it. If you like watching bad things happen to both good and bad people then is this the nerd IP for you. (But if you're underage and your parents catch you reading this then I was never here.)



The series revolves around Guts, a mercenary ultra-badass with a sword that makes Cloud's look like a toothpick.

Spoiler for Bigass NSFW pic:


He's something of a demon hunter but not as a profession or a heroic calling, he just had some bad **** happen to him and wants them all to bleed. He doesn't care about you or your demon problems, he just cares about killing the demon and if you get caught in the middle then that's your own dumbass fault. The kind of guy who'd be a terrible, 90's comic, grim 'n' gritty anti-hero, except that he's in a non-PG-13 series that gets as dark as it needs to be to justify him being such a bad bad man.

However he's fleshed out later in the series and becomes a highly engaging and sympathetic character who you can kind of understand retreating from humanity and all the pain and suffering that that brings. The 10-volume-long flashback that reveals his past from birth to the beginning of the series is harrowing to say the least, and all the more so once you see everything he'd built in his life come crashing down in the most Elder Gods way possible.

None of this would be possible though without the varied cast of demonic villains. In the world of Berserk your average person sees about as much of the supernatural as you might expect a medieval peasant to: none. It's a harsh, brutal existence for all the same reasons it would have been miserable in the real world. But unbeknownst to the plebes and kings of Berserk there is an unknowable cabal of demon gods secretly directing humankind to an unknown fate that is presumably hell on earth, beings who seem to have no holy counterparts to intercede on our behalf and so they ravage the Earth with impunity.

There is no hope for a better world, only a hope that you won't be sucked into the machinations of the inhuman powers that be. The demons are simply so invincible and unchallengeable that any caught in the way end up the same as any protagonist in a Lovecraft story: dead or insane.

Spoiler for Bigass pic:


You'd expect such villains to be two-dimensional cutouts with nothing to recommend them beyond cool designs and righteous action scenes (and there is that), but the mechanism by which they come into being is one of the best ways I've ever seen to create True Evil villains who are also engaging. Kind of can't say anything more on that without spoiling way too much, but I never expected to feel moved by a titanic, nightmare slug who eats people while their loved ones watch. Such is Berserk. Even the horrors of the world aren't easy to categorize as good or evil, even if they are in fact explicitly Evil with a big "E".

Enter Guts. Again. Guts is a near superhuman fighter, but he's still just a frail human who can't hope to match the fiends he steps to without a second thought. He just doesn't give up. Ever. 90% of any given fight is just him getting every bone in his body broken and holding onto life by his teeth until just the right opening for him to pull some underhanded sickness out of his ass when by all rights he should be dinner already.

It's this that is the only true hope of Berserk. Life doesn't care about you and will crush you like a bug on a whim, so the only thing you can do is cling to your human tenacity to simply survive from minute-to-minute and day-to-day, and eventually if you're lucky you'll be able to ram all of your anger and despair down the world's throat and smile while you watch the monstrosity burn. So quit bitching, hitch up your britches, and leave 'em in stitches, faggot.


PS: Oh yeah, just a little something I almost forgot to add, but there's a wee bit of a... well, a rape problem with Berserk starting somewhere around volume 10. Artist/writer Kentaro Miura sure likes to draw women being violated to an extent that can't simply be passed off as being appropriate to the plot. Not by a mile.

The only two defenses I have are that A.) Berserk is simply not replaceable due to its quality, uniqueness, and sheer scope of the saga, so occasionally feeling quite uncomfortable for a bit is what I see as a price I'm willing to pay for brilliance, and B.) just like how the violence is gratuitous but still fits perfectly with the tone, so does the rape. It's not even bargain basement scenes of some bandits pillaging a village, it's bizarre **** like tiny bee/fairy people raping each other to death with their stingers as a game of hide-and-seek, which I don't even remember being the weirdest instance. So you'll feel uncomfortable for a cornucopia of unpleasant reasons that you might decide actually have artistic merit for all their forced shock value.

Man, I don't know, your mileage with that will absolutely vary but at least it doesn't pop up till later in the series so you'll have plenty of time to build up good will, and if you're the type to like dark, violent fantasy with a Lovecraftian bent then I promise you there will be a lot of good will. Just ****ing read it.

Trollheart 06-04-2018 05:34 PM

Wow! Didn't realise you'd moved your comic book journal here! :laughing:

DwnWthVwls 06-04-2018 05:35 PM

It's better cause he doesn't have to wait for the forum janitors to approve his posts.

The Batlord 06-04-2018 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1958372)
It's better cause he doesn't have to wait for the forum janitors to approve his posts.

Yeah basically. I'm kinda considering reposting the Berserk post to my journal though but only if I can bring myself to cover the series volume by volume. It's a great series that would be fun to talk about in real detail, but... it's a long series.

DwnWthVwls 06-13-2018 02:41 PM

I finally got around to finishing that Peter Pan graphic novel. It was good. Also, Jack the Ripper makes an appearance ;)

Kind makes me want to buy this (I've only heard good reviews):

https://i0.wp.com/comicsbeat.com/wp-...size=260%2C343

The Batlord 06-13-2018 02:58 PM

I almost bought that many times at the comic shop but never did. It's Alan Moore so I'm sure it's at least interesting.

Yac 06-14-2018 03:36 AM

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Zw...Q=w474-h631-no
This is my haul from yesterday, having a friend who prints comics for all the major publishers here in Poland ... it's awesome ;) Most of these are 40$, 300+ page long compilations, like that batman vs dredd - all stories about them both, in one volume.
I'm especially excited about what you can see in the upper right corner - "eternal war" and "eternal freedom". I remember reading these as a kid, following up with the book.. and it was amazing.

DwnWthVwls 06-14-2018 05:33 AM

Good stuff, I only recognize Batman, Hulk, and Hellboy though. Do you prefer having them in polish? I figured since you speak english well itd be better to have them in their original form.

Yac 06-14-2018 06:53 AM

I'd prefer the originals for sure, but it's not like I have a choice - I got these for free as a gift ;) In fact now that I think about it, I had some originals back in the day, before my mother convinced me to give them away because "you're 14 now, an adult, these are silly" .. well, this is proof I wasn't adult enough to call bs :D Now the only comic book in English I have is "Fables".
Anyway, there are 2 Witcher comics, complete Watchmen anthology (though I've a feeling it's only the original story - there were more, right ?), 2 Preacher issues (300+ pages big each, so .. I'm not really sure just how many issues are there), those BBPO are called B.P.R.D. or BPRD in english, it's another one by Mike Mignola (and also 350+ pages each).

The Batlord 06-14-2018 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Yac (Post 1961921)
I'd prefer the originals for sure, but it's not like I have a choice - I got these for free as a gift ;) In fact now that I think about it, I had some originals back in the day, before my mother convinced me to give them away because "you're 14 now, an adult, these are silly" .. well, this is proof I wasn't adult enough to call bs :D Now the only comic book in English I have is "Fables".
Anyway, there are 2 Witcher comics, complete Watchmen anthology (though I've a feeling it's only the original story - there were more, right ?), 2 Preacher issues (300+ pages big each, so .. I'm not really sure just how many issues are there), those BBPO are called B.P.R.D. or BPRD in english, it's another one by Mike Mignola (and also 350+ pages each).

Yeah a few years ago they did Before Watchmen which was a bunch of mini-series that focused on specific characters and fleshed out the universe. Was kind of pointless but some of it was alright. Alan Moore was fit to throw a tantrum over the whole thing though.

The Batlord 06-14-2018 08:09 PM

OMG I forgot how completely ridiculous and ridiculously awesome Berserk was.


DwnWthVwls 06-14-2018 08:11 PM

I do not like that artwork at all.

The Batlord 06-22-2018 10:18 AM

https://78.media.tumblr.com/c9cd7ab9...rp2l9y_640.png

MicShazam 06-22-2018 10:20 AM

Spidey is actually just jelly.

The Batlord 06-22-2018 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1962167)
OMG I forgot how completely ridiculous and ridiculously awesome Berserk was.


Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1962168)
I do not like that artwork at all.

Oh yeah I was too lazy to respond to this but that's much more stylized than Berserk usually looks and was used to contrast the more detailed, realistic artwork for the sake of visual characterization. If you don't like that then it's questionable whether Berserk is for you but just sayin' that one pic isn't representational.

I really have no idea how long it takes this guy to draw **** like this.


DwnWthVwls 06-22-2018 02:28 PM

I like those images better, but I typically don't like graphic novels that deviate too far from your standard realistic color panels. Even that Peter Pan one was tough to look at sometimes. Hoping to get over it so I can enjoy more things..

Stuff like this:

https://i1.wp.com/thebrazenbull.com/...85%2C330&ssl=1

http://cdn.comixology.com/previews/O...T100798-06.jpg

The Batlord 06-22-2018 02:46 PM

Then you should probably read Sunstone.

DwnWthVwls 06-22-2018 05:04 PM

Man, I got a long list and other interests.. I'm working my way through that Sandman omni atm, and the second one to finish after that. My first attempt god side tracked, and I decided to start from the beginning.

On a side note, I kind of dont even want to buy the second omni because the absolute editions look wayy better and the 5th one has extra **** + there is a Death one. I feel stupid only having the first one though..

Look at these beauties:

http://images.sequart.org/images/Abs...n-Volume-2.jpg

The Batlord 06-23-2018 03:11 AM

*masturbates*

DwnWthVwls 06-30-2018 08:43 PM

Just got this in. I figured itd be good for the plane ride:

Issues 1-8

https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pima...2_s550x406.jpg

DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 05:32 PM

This sounded cool until I realized it was Batman...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Nights:_Metal

The Batlord 07-13-2018 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls (Post 1974502)
This sounded cool until I realized it was Batman...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Nights:_Metal

I haven't been keeping up on current comics for a while so maybe I'm missing something but this does not sound cool unless one of the metals is Rearden metal from Atlas Shrugged.

Quote:

The story involves Batman discovering a dark multiverse that exists beneath the core DC multiverse. It is revealed that both multiverses are connected through mysterious metals that Batman has encountered over the years. His investigations eventually result in him releasing seven evil versions of himself from the dark multiverse, led by the dark god known as Barbatos, who plans to unleash darkness across every Earth.

DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 06:03 PM

Sounds like a good fantasy story to me...

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:08 PM

Sounds like a forgotten Final Fantasy.

DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 06:16 PM

You really don't like this? I may still get it despite my Batman hate.. Kinda reminds me of Spawn:

http://bdzoom.com/wp-content/uploads...ook-around.jpg

https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/big/2...5166583683.jpg

http://www.arkhamverse.com/news/wp-c...9/image12.jpeg

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/14...g?v=1518729801

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:21 PM

That looks like ripoffs of the Dark Judges from Judge Dredd.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2a/2e/65/2...4e815f0a0d.jpg

DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 06:24 PM

Well that looks cool too.

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:28 PM

That's because it is. Judge Dredd is like reading a space age satire of 90s comics except the 90s hadn't even happened yet so they just had to satire the world itself.

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:32 PM


DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 06:40 PM

That looks stupid..

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:42 PM

It's absurdist satire, fool. The appearance of stupidity is an asset.

The Batlord 07-13-2018 06:44 PM

But maybe you just want to see dinosaurs fight.


DwnWthVwls 07-13-2018 07:18 PM

Lame.. go back to the cool 4 horseman dudes.

That artwork is reason enough to never read it even if its good.

The Batlord 07-13-2018 07:39 PM

Man, carry your dreary fetlife ass. There's more to comic book art than looking mad wicked yo.

But yes the Dark Judges are cool.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/ba...1cc1c67acd.jpg

The Batlord 07-24-2018 12:04 PM

*checks prices on the omnibus of Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men*

https://media1.tenor.com/images/755a...itemid=5471117

Buying all four volumes of the trades in hardcover would literally be twice as cheap as buying the omnibus used. I suppose I could go for the $60 library copy on eBay but I doubt that's staying at $60 and who wants a library copy? They need to reprint that **** yesterday.

DwnWthVwls 07-24-2018 02:19 PM

Whales be whales.. start saving.


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