An American Carol (quote)

TheBig3 · 10-07-2008, 01:19 PM

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**Janszoon** · 10-07-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

on what grounds would an absense of political control be able to be given a political identity?

On the grounds that it is a political philosophy that involves ideals that are largely left-wing.

TheBig3 · 10-07-2008, 01:55 PM

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On the grounds that it is a political philosophy that involves ideals that are largely left-wing.

thats one of the most unfounded arguments I've ever heard. Never in all of my political altercations have I ever encountered anything close to this.

What about no government support is left wing? the liberals tend to want social support nets, nationalized health care, their the PC police when it comes to language and speaking, they tax the holy **** out of anyone and everything, and you're suggesting as we move closer and closer to bigger and better we will eventually achieve...nothing?

In the only probable way this would be possible, government may get so big it ultimatly collapses, but it would be foolish to suggest this is the aim of the left-wing of the american political system.

Mean while, the republicans continue to push for less government intervention, even in the economic crisis House Republicans want market forces to sort this out, they want to remove "government schools", they loathe unions, welfare and federal spending. They don't even want public libraries. The only reason libertarians aren't anarchists is becuase they believe there should be taxes taken for national defense and to support they very fringes of the federal government, i.e. the SJC, Execuitve and Congress. No programs, no federal prisons, no IMF, no nothing...

and this isn't closer to anarchy?

not to mention by the way, anarchy is an absense, not a philosophy. You can't think the best government is no government, you can't rank it. its like picking the best hockey player on a team that doesn't exist, or the best milk producer when there aren't cows, or even a farm.

if you're walking through the bad lands, you can't say this is how government should function. Nothigns functioning.

**Janszoon** · 10-07-2008, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

thats one of the most unfounded arguments I've ever heard. Never in all of my political altercations have I ever encountered anything close to this.

What about no government support is left wing? the liberals tend to want social support nets, nationalized health care, their the PC police when it comes to language and speaking, they tax the holy **** out of anyone and everything, and you're suggesting as we move closer and closer to bigger and better we will eventually achieve...nothing?

In the only probable way this would be possible, government may get so big it ultimatly collapses, but it would be foolish to suggest this is the aim of the left-wing of the american political system.

Mean while, the republicans continue to push for less government intervention, even in the economic crisis House Republicans want market forces to sort this out, they want to remove "government schools", they loathe unions, welfare and federal spending. They don't even want public libraries. The only reason libertarians aren't anarchists is becuase they believe there should be taxes taken for national defense and to support they very fringes of the federal government, i.e. the SJC, Execuitve and Congress. No programs, no federal prisons, no IMF, no nothing...

and this isn't closer to anarchy?

not to mention by the way, anarchy is an absense, not a philosophy. You can't think the best government is no government, you can't rank it. its like picking the best hockey player on a team that doesn't exist, or the best milk producer when there aren't cows, or even a farm.

if you're walking through the bad lands, you can't say this is how government should function. Nothigns functioning.

Look, I don't really feel like getting in a huge debate about this, but suffice it to say I don't think you have a very good grip on what most anarchists actually believe in. There's a lot to it and many different schools of thought within it but most of them are left-wing. If you get the chance take a look at the Wikipedia article about anarchism and you'll see what I mean.

sleepy jack · 10-07-2008, 05:44 PM

Oh damn wikipedia! He showed you!

**Janszoon** · 10-07-2008, 05:47 PM

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Oh damn wikipedia! He showed you!

Hey, if you have a better source for a quick overview of it please post it.

sleepy jack · 10-07-2008, 05:50 PM

What's hard to understand about anarchy meaning no government? Why do I need to give you an overview of that, it's pretty simple and straight-forward isn't it?

**Janszoon** · 10-07-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

What's hard to understand about anarchy meaning no government? Why do I need to give you an overview of that, it's pretty simple and straight-forward isn't it?

It's not that simple, that's the whole point.

sleepy jack · 10-07-2008, 05:54 PM

No it really is that simple.

**Janszoon** · 10-07-2008, 05:56 PM

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No it really is that simple.

Honestly, are you just trolling here?

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