100 Things That Piss Me Off About Video Games (hardcore, house)

Astronomer · 10-29-2008, 11:21 PM

I didn't miss that, I just got fired up about the other stereotypical "what's the deal with feminists" stuff. My bad. I'm a lose cannon when the word "feminism" is mentioned.

I love the ideas of Lara Croft and Samus... they rock. I was more so referring to other video game portrayals I constantly see like in GTA or racing games and I don't know what else... games where the woman isn't the hero or the role-model but instead the "prize" - not an actual character but instead just a sex object. I don't think there is anything wrong with women being angry at those kinds of representations.

I was also just wanting to point out that feminists aren't all ugly fat gross people. And that I don't give a **** if the female characters have tiny waists and enormous tits, but I care more for the fact that they are portrayed as subordinate.

Anyway.

boo boo · 10-29-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by lateralus

Haha I was just about to reply to the "Chrisitans" post saying that the only problem I had with the games was the sexist portrayal of women... but then I scrolled down and saw the "Feminists" posts and ALMOST stopped myself.

If I haven't pissed off everyone, I have failed.

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I don't care if chicks are hot in video games! It's more a matter of how they are portrayed in terms of them 1) just being portrayed as objects of sexual desire

What constitutes objects of sexual desire? A lot of female video game protagonists happen to be just that, protagonists who can fight alongside men and yes even overpower them, they just happen to be attractive and yes some of them wear revealing outfits. Chun Li and Cammy are my favorite Street Fighter II characters. And no not just because they're eye candy. I also consider them to be the best fighters in the game.

Sure there are some negative stereotypes in video games, as with any form of media, but I don't think it's anywhere as prominent as feminists claim. Nor do I think it should be taken too seriously. After all, they're just video games. If you expect deep social commentary and deep character development then you're looking in the wrong place.

And what about Kratos? A big muscleman in a loin cloth, I'd say that's pretty much the same thing. Men and women alike tend to have what you'd call "idealised" bodies in the world of fantasy, that's why it's fantasy.

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and 2) being subordinate to men.

I find examples of this to be surprisingly rare in video games. Sure you have Princess Peach (but to be fair to ol' Peach she IS a princess and therefore considered a high authority figure in the mushroom kingdom

) and the like playing your typical damsel in distress role, which is a trend that has mostly died out anyway. But you also have characters like Lara Croft, Samus Aran and Jill Valentine playing strong protagonists who can fight and kick ass just as well as the men.

Even Zelda, one of the original video game "damsels" has evolved into a more complex character who now aids Link in a lot of his adventures and has some pretty kickass magic powers. These are just a few examples but rest assured there's a lot more. And I'd certainly love for you to provide your own examples if you have any.

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And research HAS shown that a percentage of probably unintelligent males in the world react to this perception of women and believe that women are subordinate and that they can do whatever the **** they like to them and this is why 1 in 4 women in their lifetime will be raped or sexually abused.

While those are some good points I don't see it being very much related to my post.

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By the way I AM NOT UGLY OR FERAL OR FAT. Go see for yourself in my picture in the members picture gallery thread. So I've destroyed all your feminist stereotypes. Sorry.

Look, I was using hyperbole for humorous purposes, same with the one about Christians. I think it should be clear enough that I'm not referring to ALL feminists.

Dr_Rez · 10-29-2008, 11:53 PM

All I can say to you booX2 is that I haven't seen you this fired up in a long time. Glad the fires still lit inside.

Astronomer · 10-29-2008, 11:57 PM

Fair enough, I see what your saying, and I actually completely agree with you in that some women take it way too far and create some huge big feminist argument out of nothing. Come to think of it, in retrospect I agree with the fact that feminists are an annoying aspect of video games because of this. And also after thinking about it I have realised that there are actually many video games that depict females with power.

However, I was merely criticising your description of feminists and also just wanting to point out that there are sometimes video games that depict women as objects and nothing else - not personalities, not intelligent or powerful or assertive but just vaginas and boobs. Maybe most of the video games I have seen depicting women are not a real representation of all the many video games out there.

lucifer_sam · 10-30-2008, 01:06 AM

Feminists have a great deal more to bitch about than how women are portrayed in video games. I mean, come on, there are so many problems with sexism in the real world that need to be rectified, but no...

EQUAL WAGES BE DAMNED, WE WANT FLAT CG CHESTS!

boo boo · 10-30-2008, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

Feminists have a great deal more to bitch about than how women are portrayed in video games. I mean, come on, there are so many problems with sexism in the real world that need to be rectified, but no...

EQUAL WAGES BE DAMNED, WE WANT FLAT CG CHESTS!

And we DO have flat chested broads in video games. Princess Zelda, Aerith from Final Fantasy VII and Jade from Beyond Good & Evil for example.

My advice to the ladies is if big t*ts in video games REALLY bother you, then it's best to avoid any kind of fighting game. Tecmo alone should pretty much rename themselves "the boob factory".

Boobs are great. But I'm more of an assman, hence why Samus and Cammy are easly my favorites.

FaSho · 10-30-2008, 03:32 PM

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Here's a good example of what I mean. Samus from the Metroid games, the first Metroid game was largely considered to have set a strong feminist statement when it was discovered after you completed the game that you were playing a woman the whole time. So I found it ironic to see feminists complain about Zero Mission and Brawl depicting Samus without her armor suit and in more revealing attire (even though featuring her in sexy outfits has actually been a tradition ever since the first Metroid), suddenly she was no longer a positive role model because god f*cking forbid, she wasn't hiding her appearance. In other words she was only a good role model when you couldn't TELL that she's a woman, once she turns into some super hot blonde chick in a body suit she's suddenly a bad role model, even though she's the same ass kicking space warrior she always was. What a f*cking mixed message that is. So I guess what feminists want is for all attractive women in the world to wear bulking suits of armor at all times. So they can be taken seriously.

Lulz. One of the best thing I've read in a long time. One of my favorite threads.

lucifer_sam · 10-30-2008, 10:52 PM

2boo, when are you gonna contribute some more to the music forums again? It seems like you've been hiding here since everybody crapped on your Yes nomination.

We mish youuuuuu....

boo boo · 10-30-2008, 11:36 PM

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It seems like you've been hiding here since everybody crapped on your Yes nomination.

Well you're right about that.

I haven't been listening to much music lately. I haven't even listened to my iTunes for several months (probably due to my constant fustration with not having any good headphones, and a no stereo speakers for my laptop), as you can tell from looking at my sig.

Now I mostly just stick to my cd players, I usually only listen to music now when I'm on the road. Everything else I've been doing with my spare time has been playing games, watching tv and arguing with Grandma about weither or not Obama is a fascist or a communist (somehow she thinks he's both).

Strummer521 · 10-31-2008, 06:55 PM

Just an aside about the wiimote...I think it's an interesting innovation and I don't have too much experience with the wii to be able to say more than that. But it's obvious that a lot of gamers are not comfortable with making the jump toward the very new gameplay mechanics it requires. Personally, I'm not interested in having to control a game in non-traditional ways, although I do find the DS great for minigames and other secondary features (The wario giant slingshot in Super Mario World...being able to draw the designs on t-shirts in Animal Crossing as though you were drawing with a pen etc..). I think the idea of controls that make me move more than my fingers are an interruption of the immersion that makes gaming a unique experience. I don't want to be reminded of my own existence while trying to pretend I'm someone else.

Mostly I just wish that game companies would devote their push toward innovation to the f***ing software.

I realize that most of (or, at least, a lot of) the software is created by developers who are independent of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, but The companies which produce consoles still must have a ton of influence on what kinds of games are made, because they have to decide what they will release for their system.

10-29-2008, 11:21 PM	#321 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	I didn't miss that, I just got fired up about the other stereotypical "what's the deal with feminists" stuff. My bad. I'm a lose cannon when the word "feminism" is mentioned. I love the ideas of Lara Croft and Samus... they rock. I was more so referring to other video game portrayals I constantly see like in GTA or racing games and I don't know what else... games where the woman isn't the hero or the role-model but instead the "prize" - not an actual character but instead just a sex object. I don't think there is anything wrong with women being angry at those kinds of representations. I was also just wanting to point out that feminists aren't all ugly fat gross people. And that I don't give a **** if the female characters have tiny waists and enormous tits, but I care more for the fact that they are portrayed as subordinate. Anyway. __________________

10-29-2008, 11:53 PM	#323 (permalink)
Dr_Rez Registered Jimmy Rustler Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 5,360	All I can say to you booX2 is that I haven't seen you this fired up in a long time. Glad the fires still lit inside. __________________ Best chance of losing virginity is in prison crew Always Checks Credentials Crew nba > nfl crew Shave one of my legs to pretend its a girl in my bed crew

10-29-2008, 11:57 PM	#324 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	Fair enough, I see what your saying, and I actually completely agree with you in that some women take it way too far and create some huge big feminist argument out of nothing. Come to think of it, in retrospect I agree with the fact that feminists are an annoying aspect of video games because of this. And also after thinking about it I have realised that there are actually many video games that depict females with power. However, I was merely criticising your description of feminists and also just wanting to point out that there are sometimes video games that depict women as objects and nothing else - not personalities, not intelligent or powerful or assertive but just vaginas and boobs. Maybe most of the video games I have seen depicting women are not a real representation of all the many video games out there. __________________

10-30-2008, 01:06 AM	#325 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	Feminists have a great deal more to bitch about than how women are portrayed in video games. I mean, come on, there are so many problems with sexism in the real world that need to be rectified, but no... EQUAL WAGES BE DAMNED, WE WANT FLAT CG CHESTS! __________________ first.am

10-30-2008, 10:52 PM	#328 (permalink)
lucifer_sam Unrepentant Ass-Mod Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,921	2boo, when are you gonna contribute some more to the music forums again? It seems like you've been hiding here since everybody crapped on your Yes nomination. We mish youuuuuu.... __________________ first.am

10-31-2008, 06:55 PM	#330 (permalink)
Strummer521 Pepper Emergency! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 493	Just an aside about the wiimote...I think it's an interesting innovation and I don't have too much experience with the wii to be able to say more than that. But it's obvious that a lot of gamers are not comfortable with making the jump toward the very new gameplay mechanics it requires. Personally, I'm not interested in having to control a game in non-traditional ways, although I do find the DS great for minigames and other secondary features (The wario giant slingshot in Super Mario World...being able to draw the designs on t-shirts in Animal Crossing as though you were drawing with a pen etc..). I think the idea of controls that make me move more than my fingers are an interruption of the immersion that makes gaming a unique experience. I don't want to be reminded of my own existence while trying to pretend I'm someone else. Mostly I just wish that game companies would devote their push toward innovation to the f**ing software. I realize that most of (or, at least, a lot of) the software is created by developers who are independent of Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo, but The companies which produce consoles still must have a ton of influence on what kinds of games are made, because they have to decide what they will release for their system. __________________ "Caffeine is so ridiculous right now."* RZA