boo boo

While it's true that TP dosen't really bring anything new to the series in terms of gameplay, that's exactly why the Wii version is preferable to the Gamecube one, since the control scheme does give it a very unique experience. I don't know why you don't enjoy it, but I certainly do, just please for the love of god don't tell me I've wasted my money for not getting a $400 paperweight instead.

It's actually quite different from the previous Paper Marios.

Once again, the control scheme makes the experience quite different.

Am I the only one who finds it a little cool that you can aim the wiimote like a gun? Like Duck Hunt but even more awesome? I certainly do, it actually has me interested in some FPS games (outside of MP) and I usually consider that an impossible task.

Whatever you want.

I'd rather have a system that at least provides a different gaming experience.

I've got that with the Wii. Anyone who thinks the Wiimote is useless clearly has no imagination at all. Using the wiimote like a light gun or using it to swing a sword/light saber or using it to steer a vehicle arcade style? Yeah, that's totally a lame idea.

The games themselves might not be incredibly innovative but neither are the 360's or PS3's. And at least.

1. The Wii and 360 are reasonably priced.
2. They actually have exclusives.
3. Their "Killer app" games don't fail miserably in living up to their massive hype. See: Lair, Heavenly Sword.

If you don't like the Wii, that's perfectly fine, I think the 360 is a great alternative and probably the better choice for you hardcore gamers. Wii is the choice for casual gamers and retro gamers like myself. Either is a better alternative than a $400 paperweight with no exclusives and the only unique feature being a bunch of hardware gadgets you already have.

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Zarko

So now its turned into an anti-PS rant

And anyway, the point of the Paper Marios wasn't that its 'different' its that early development was based on the GameCube... The only difference is the mode of control.

FWIW, IMO the Wiimote makes FPS far too easy ala RE... When you have to THINK about what you are doing with your hands isn't that sort of taking away the immersive-ness of a game? But that may just be me... I have a Logitech wheel to give me an even better driving experience on better racing games than Mario Kart

But again FWIW, I would prefer a keyboard and mouse over a xbox or PS controller anyway...

Folklore
MGS4
Motorstorm
Resistance
Ratchet and Clank
Uncharted
MLB The Show
Disgaea 3

Soon to be Killzone 2
Tekken 6
God Of War 3
SOCOM
LA Noire

Seems like a fairly solid lineup of exclusives ranging in genre and gameplay...

Again, this is turning into a massive anti PS rant...

boo boo

Mode of control makes a lot of difference though. I don't think Galaxy would have been anywhere near as fun if it were for the Gamecube. In fact Galaxy's controls were very deep, you controlled Mario and a curser at the same time and that couldn't have been emulated with the Gamecube controller.

I don't consider FPSs to be that challenging anyway. Unless they have a lot of elements outside of just the basic shooting. There are so many FPS's out there, I think it's a great idea to have more shooters using something like a light gun. It works wonders for arcade rail shooters so why not first person shooters? Use the nunchuck to move your character and wiimote to aim. It's very simple and it works. But more importantly, it's fun.

The Wii Wheel works just fine and I think you can just use the wiimote too.

Well there you go, aiming the wiimote would be like aiming the curser with a mouse.

And none of those games outside of Ratchet & Clank and Folklore really interest me, then there's Little Big Planet which I've already mentioned and God of War 3 which I honestly don't really care about. Is that it?

You see. Now I know you're trying too hard. Because like 10 people bought the last 2 Disgaea games. Every console has their underrated gems, there's no denying that.

I'm not a shooter guy, and I'd rather wait and see how The Conduit uses the wiimote.

Will also be for the 360

It's not that I hate Sony, because PS1 and 2 were clearly great consoles. But the PS3 just dosen't interest me at all.

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So I should totally ignore a great game because people don't like it? Sucks to be them then

The only reason I brought up those games is because you used overt hyperbole, and supposedly speaking for the entire population of games concerning the 400 bucks paperweight comment.

Wiimote is pretty different IMO but after the 'difference' wares out it becomes a bore, and IMO no different to a normal console controller (And my opinion is based on actually owning one ) I wish it released some games that would actually be different and take advantage of its (Albeit limited in the whole scheme of things) system. Most games are fairly shoddy IMO in that there is little variation in what actually happens when you swing the wiimote perse... Most of the time to me it feels like a bother rather than an excitement unlike when you first open get the thing... It becomes just as repetitive as pressing the X button just much more tiring

Added more games including LA Noire, GOW, SOCOM... Again, it seems to be up to tastes...

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (Though based on whether you owned previous versions
I'm guessing as much that the persona after Persona 4 will be on the PS3... But then again, I can play P4 when it comes out on PS2...

boo boo

Well yeah, if I buy a product and am perfectly satisfied with it, then you out of brand loyalty tell me I wasted my money for not buying your product instead. Then of course I'm gonna retaliate.

I think the variety of things you can do with the wiimote is pretty sweet. Sure some of the games where you use the wiimote the control the sword dosen't have that much interactivity since just swinging the wiimote will gaurantee a hit every time. But that has more to do with the design of the actual games. Remember in wii sports and how the bat moves depending on how you hold the wiimote? Well there you go.

The wiimote brings a lot of fun to games I don't think would work anywhere near as well on other platforms. Raving Rabbids is a great example, I know it's on the PS2 and 360 now but a lot of what made that game fun was how you used the wiimote for the various minigames.

I think bringing more interactivity to gaming is a fantastic idea, I know not everyone likes it, but that's their opinion, just don't tell me I'm wasting my time investing in what I think is a great concept. That's the kinda fanboy bullcrap that I hate.

It has nothing to do with company loyalty, because I'll tell you right now that the Genesis pwns the SNES and that PS1 raped N64 in the butt.

Indeed. If you're into shooters and action games in the vein of GTA or God of War then I can understand the preference for PS3. I'm just more into the kinda games that the Wii has in greater quantity, since I'm into simpler/more retro games.

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comparing the wii wheel to a high end logitech wheel is rather foolish. one is an actual controller with force feedback and pedals, the other is a mount for the regular controller.

you want to talk immersion get a ps3. gran turismo 5 prologue. a projector with a 6 foot screen. high end logitech wheel and pedals mounted into a frame with the seat from a sports car. with a surround sound system.

totally blows away the wii. kind of pricey but WAY more immersive. not as fun as excite truck but definitely more immersive.

remember in wii sports how it doesn't matter what direction you swing the controller to hit a home run? horizontal or vertical it's still a swing.

the controls for raving rabbids on the wii are either jerk off the controller or click and pull, aside from the 'shooter' segments. what made the game fun was playing with other people. same as every other party game out there.

interactivity is great and it's wonderful that nintendo will take chances, especially ones that don't give you migraines (like the virtual boy).

BUT it's not enough to change the software development industry. you're not going to see a huge shift in how new games are made until one of the other consoles starts implementing motion control into their games (or until a 3rd party gets lucky and has a 1st party sized hit). right now there's no point for them to take that step. yet. i'm sure they're watching nintendo closely and have plans to eventually move in that direction, but right now the tech just doesn't justify changing the infrastructure of the industry.

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It must have been frustrating for developers not knowing about "wii motion plus" and "wii speak" until we did.

On the subject of interactivity, did anyone ever have or use an eyetoy?

I thought there was as much potential there last gen, and thats not to make wii owners mad, just thought it was a good product.

anticipation

$600 for a glorified dvd player?

word, no thanks.

FaSho

Eyetoy sucked except for boxing, that's not even debateable.

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Tooooo true... Was an attempt to garner the interest of a more casual and kids market, which failed miserably obviously.

If there is one thing the current generation consoles have done badly in IMO is RPGs, especially JRPGs... Nothing quite like the Shin Megami Tensey series yet, and nothing announced unfortunately...