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Let me put it this way: To me, Zodiac is the matured version of Seven. Gone is the focus on the gruesomeness, replaced by more of a focus on the characters, with only the necessary amount of screen time devoted to oh how horrible the murders are. After a point I just feel like "yes, I get get it. They're dead and the killer is sick. Move on please". That's what Zodiac does; telling a more interesting story by focusing on the parts that matter. To me, Seven is like some kind of horrific amusement park ride. "Come and see the amazing horrorible murders! Isn't that something?!" I'm being a bit reductionist, but I find that it's putting the weight too much on the wrong foot.

Say what? This requires an explanation.

That's like the exact themes of No Country For Old Men, which is a much better movie in my eyes.

*you are on chula's ignore list*

Never thought of it but yup. Only differences are the time period and setting.

Early 80s vs late 90s and big city vs open country.

While I do think it a more matured style, Zodiac had cryptic murders, not gruesome ones, so they lacked that gruesome element. And yes, you're being reductionist to the point where I think you missed a good deal of the film.

You have pretty clear cut boundaries for what movies should do and be and I think that turns you away from a lot of great art.

And No Country for Old Men is mucho better.

To be fair, it's a million years since I watched Seven. Maybe so long ago that it doesn't make much sense for me to insist on my position too hard. So that's a dilemma: I would have to see it again to see if I still hold the same view of it, but on the other hand I really don't want to watch it again.

I've watched god knows how many movies of every conceivable type over the years and, yes, I've started shying away from some types of movies - instead putting my focus on the one's I expect greater things from.
I'd say most of my beefs with Seven have to do with what's really just my beef with the horror genre.

I do strongly prefer movies that focus on character development above all else. Strong style is a big bonus too, but that depends on what the theme and visual subject matter is.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with you that I'm too limited in some ways, but I'm willing to consider it. Take the Steve McQueen (the director, not the actor) movie Hunger, for example. It's essentially a very literal, feature length visual exploration of the physical decay and suffering of a man on hunger strike. It's tough to watch, and I suppose the viewer is intended to somehow connect with the reality of the situation on some deeper level, but I was really missing some more depth in a perhaps more conventional way. The only scene I truly liked was the one where the hunger striking prisoner speaks at length with a visitor in one long, single-shot scene. The bed ridden suffering eventually just felt like it was beating me over the head with how terrible everything about the situation is. I think you'd like the movie, and that's not some snarky put-down. I hated it.

But no, art doesn't have to be pretty and it doesn't have to be easy. I like plenty of movies that are a tough watch, but then they tend to be character oriented. This one for example:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2178941/
East Germany, totalitarianism, etc. Pretty depressing movie, but good.

Gerald's Game is easily Mike Flanagan's best film. Intense as ****.

Have ya'll seen this? Would love to hear your thoughts. The novel was amazing and I didn't think it could be made into a movie but they did a great job of capturing the utter despair.

Shut up! It's Predator, then Predator 2. There IS no Predator 1. That's one of my bugbears. Stop doing it. Gaahhh! :banghead:
You should watch (or actually, maybe not) the series Ripper Street, especially the final episode.

Also, have you watched Dust Devil yet? Interested in your thoughts.

ay you watched it. yeah i liked it quite a bit. what’d you think of the ending though? i mean obviously they had to work off of the novel but storywise it killed everything that Flanagan had built up to with his brilliant pacing.

oh and also most importantly

I've been looking for some good sci-fi horror that's actually space-related (harder than you'd realize since so much of it is SyFy level tripe) and been meaning to rewatch Predator. Thanks for reminding me. TO TORRENT!!!

I'd say that doing that is becoming more and more excusable. More and more movies are coming out with the same title as the first movie in the series. It's even worse in video games. I'm used to putting a '1' after the first if I want to make sure it's clear which I'm talking about. So if I say Tomb Raider 1 (the game), people know I'm talking about the first in the series and not the 2013 reboot of the same name. Don't blame me, blame dumb movie/game titles.

Probably not likely to be my kind of thing, but what is it specifically about the last episode you find so interesting. I don't mind spoilers at all.

I will eventually since I told my brother about it and he put it on his wanted list. It seemed right up his alley, so I told him about it. He will probably buy it soon enough, then I'll borrow and watch it. No promising it will be any time soon, but it's on my personal watch list too. It's just that there's many movies above it on the list.

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Most definitely a great cinematic experience and the kind of thing 'ol Phil K. Dick would have approved of, but without the presence of Roy Batty it just can't beat out that feeling I had when I watched the Final Cut of the first Blade Runner over a decade ago. Plus Vangelis's original soundtrack is simply godly in comparison to Hans Zimmer and co.

It's just the pretty graphic scenes of Mary Kelly's murder (the final one in Jack the Ripper's spree) that I found quite harrowing.
OK well let me know as and when.
I think Alien is the king of those type of movies, isn't it?

Alien is amazing but it's Alien so it would be kind of hard not to have seen it.

I'd recommend Dante 01: Dante 01 (2008) - IMDb

Ok so it's not quite sci-fi horror, and it's got a middling rating on IMDB. But for what it's worth, I think it's quite good and it does have a very Alien like atmosphere to it. Plus some horrible things happen. It's more sci-fi thriller, but with a supernatural component and some grimy visuals.

Nah, of course you've seen it. We all have. But I was just pointing out that it's pretty much the pinnacle of the genre.

I guess space movies generally cost too much money to make when they could just put a horror movie at a summer camp. Not nearly enough space horror.

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I've seen this film three times now (The Final Cut) and it's in my top 10. Easily. Such a cliche to say about this film but really. Honestly. Fanfuckingtastic. The atmosphere, the score, Harrison Ford, my man Rutger, the story. Holy cow. It gets better each time I watch it. Blade Runner 2049, also great. Has nothing on the first Blade runner though. Probably my favorite sci-fi film. The whole neo-noir thing drives it home cinematically as well. 10/10

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Totally missed whenever you originally asked me that. Sorry :p:

That would be mostly a no, but I did see one of them, I think. It was a long time ago. I remember something about some house owned by a group of characters. There was possibly a ghost or something. It's all very hazy at this point. I remember reading one of the manga books. I seem to remember there being a character that had the ability to teleport, but only between filled trash cans - which was pretty hilarious.

Omg, if nothing else, you have to watch Beautiful Dreamer. You'll love it.

I managed to find it on Youtube with subs, so I'm taking a look at it some time this week probably :)

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Nice one, mord. :)

Blade Runner 2049 is like Blade Runner by Stanley Kubrick.

Wow man, I have to disagree. After reading your review, I expected it to be Escape From L.A. Imagine my surprise when 40% was straight up just dialogue, %40 was an artful rumination on loneliness and desire, and only the remaining 20% was pew-pew punch punch explodey.

Awesome movie. It's like Equilibrium had a baby with Eraserhead.

Been watching some good new horror movies, but need some good cosmic horror from any time period. You know, that Lovecraftian sort of horror that isn't so much sci fi but kind of is sci fi just cause it's about how the universe is out to get you, not so much cause it's out to get you but because it's so overwhelming that it can't help but be out to get you cause you're so insignificant? Or anything along those lines that makes you feel like you don't matter in the face of the overwhelming evil on display. You can interpret that liberally since I imagine the concept isn't really explored that much and I just want whatever I can get. Basically if the horror isn't really so much out to get you as you're just in its way I'll be happy.

But god damn when with Guillermo Del Toro make that At the Mountains of Madness movie already?

Have you ever seen From Beyond? It's by the same person who directed Re-Animator and Dagon so he's got a determination to bring the works of Lovecraft to the realms of B grade horror. It definitely is more sci-fi but the body horror aspects really work well within that genre. Just look at the poster for the film.

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Oh and is it now kind of a cheap gimmick in horror movies to give a date from the 80s or 90s to imply that this is a true story even if it isn't? I feel like I see that more and more for no apparent reason.

Funny Games, Tetsuo the Iron Man, and Resolution

Already seen Funny Games (not the original) but I'm not really interested in human horror movies. I want something that can make a human being feel insignificant in the face of something more than them.

Funny Games was ****ing awesome though.

I chose Funny Games because there is a weird and unspoken acceptance of the situation as just a product of chaos in such a way that it makes the viewer uncomfortable so I thought it might fit. Glad you've seen it though.

Maybe check out Mr. Jones in addition to the other two.

Timecrimes! Check that one out.

I'll put those three on the list, but am I to understand that I've kind of accepted that any kind of Lovecraftian style horror, even not necessarily sci fi horror, is kind of hard to find? To be perfectly honest I think Romero zombie movies are actually closer to what I'm looking for than what I generally get unless they're just ****ty Lovecraft adaptations. I mean those movies are really about how the protagonists are just straight up ****ed in the face of an overwhelming enemy that can clearly never be overcome no matter what they do, which is kind of what I'd want from that kind of horror movie. Even though I'm not actually looking for zombie movies.

While it's very loose narratively speaking, I think that Tetsuo fits. There are classics like The Thing and Prince of Darkness, but ja you're right. It's not Lovecraftian at all, but watch Gerald's Game. I don't think I've seen a film convey hopeless dread so well.

I'll check out Tetsuo (director?) and the other things you mentioned. Honestly the most Lovecraftian horror thing outside of actual Lovecraft I've ever seen was Amnesia: The Dark Descent. And that was a video game. Like I said, I'm totally waiting for Guillermo Del Toro to do that In the Mouth of Madness movie, cause why the mother **** is that not already a god damn thing?