It didn't weird you out as a kid that most of the kids died?

It hadn't occurred to me back then for some reason. I thought they had left the factory somehow. It clicked when I watched it a few years back and I was like "woah, hold on a minute." Now when I watch it, I can't help but think this is along the likes of a horror film, but in a much more subtle way.

Even though I like the Johnny Depp version as well, it took some of the creepy factor away when you find the kids walking out of the factory at the end.

I can't tell if the never made it out alive part was serious or not. The joke was it seemed like they would die, but Wonka knew they wouldn't because it's just not something he would allow. That movie was one of the defining movies of my childhood and film buff history, and I never once got the idea the children never made it out alive. Didn't Wonka meniton that would all go home?

Fatty went to the incinerator, Violet got juiced (do you really think that sounds like something you can survive?), and Veruca also went to a furnace, but I guess Mike doesn't have fatality sewn into his karmic punishment.

Who would ever lie about being involved in the deaths of children?

I don't think it matters in the end...it was all in Charlie's head. It just so happens that Charlie finds a ticket right as we learn the fifth was forged? Yeah, right. His grandpa is bedridden, but now he is not only well enough to take Charlie to the factory, but he can dance around the room? Nope.

Charlie was depressed and needed an escape. He hated the actual kids who won, so in his fantasy they all died and he got to take over the factory.

Woah.

And I just realized the line that the mom says when the fifth ticket was found.

"Let him have one last dream"

Holy ****.

This is why the movie is a classic. As a kid's movie, I think it's average at best. As a mind**** of a movie, it's pure gold. There are too many clues pointing to too many theories to think that we are reading into some of this stuff. This was all intentional on the writers' parts.

Consider my mind blown. And I imagine the oompa loompas is a bit of an imagery toward slavery since they are colored, and they follow Willy Wonka's orders no matter what.

WHATTHE****

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Makes perfect sense and can't believe I hadn't figured it out by now. I have to watch it again right away!!!

Found this cool tidbit about the flick.

The man was a genius, even if behind closed doors. He knew what the audience wanted, and he requested it for the audience.

Interesting that Roald Dahl apparently hated the film adaptation and refused to allow a film to be made of Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator.

Maybe that's why they ended the movie with them in the glass elevator?

In the book the oompa loompas are actual black africans.

QUIT RUINING MY CHILDHOOD!!!!!! :banghead:

Damn, so my assumption is pretty close.

I'm surrounded by soulless dunderheads.

It would be an interesting argument if not for one major detail: It's a Roald Dahl story. Those defy logic. Hell,. James and the Giant Peach thrives on that.

None of his stories make sense is your counter argument? Please, you're just in denial (as I suspected).

All I know is, I appreciate the movie much more knowing all of what has been talked about here.

Just watched An Honest Liar (the James Randi film).

It was surprisingly moving and powerful.

And waiting through the credits was so worth it for the phrase, "No spoons were harmed in the making of this film."

Randomly picked the movie "Remember" from my Amazon Prime account. Damn. Christopher Plummer at 86 is still an absolute powerhouse actor. I've always been a huge fan of him and this movie only adds to that.

Do yourself a favor and check out this flick. Very intense plot and the suspense keeps building until an ending that shocked the **** out of me. And Plummer nailed the nuances of emotions involved.

A friend just mentioned this to me as well. Thanks - I'll check it out!

Don't look into it prior to watching. Definitely a movie that would be ruined by a couple of spoilers.

Traffic. Watch every couple of years or so. Definitely in my top 20 of all time. Such a brilliant and hard hitting movie on every level. And what a cast.

Benicio del Toro, Michael Douglas, Luis Guzman, Amy Irving, Erika Christensen, Topher Grace, James Brolin, Albert Finney, Steven Bauer, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Dennis Quaid, Don Cheadle, Miguel Ferrer, Benjamin Bratt, Viola Davis, Salma Hayek, as well as a bunch of real politicians making cameos.

del Torro deserved every ounce of that Oscar.

Yup, not just your regular Garfield.

*cough* dick *cough*

X-Men Apocalypse. It was pretty meh. 2,5/5 stars

Over the past 2 nights: Eastern Promises and A History of Violence. A Vitto Mortensen, David Cronenberg double header. If you haven't seen both of these do yourself a favor.

Both are really good movies. I love Cronenberg in general. My faves are probably Eastern Promises, Cosmopolis and Existenz.

Just watched American History X yesterday. Still good, but maybe a little bit too melodramatic and simplistic. I didn't notice that when I was younger, but now it seems like less of a genius movie. Still solid though.

This evening I watched My Kid Could Paint That.
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It's a documentary about a couple whose 4 year old daughter becomes an overnight art success and sells paintings for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Pretty interesting if you're interested in modern art and how it is or isn't all it's made to be.

Am I the only one who thought Eastern Promises kinda sucked? It felt really corny at times.
History Of Violence is pretty good though.

Easter Promises is certainly more accessible and simple than other Cronenberg films, but I still thought it was a good story and a very well made movie.

I can imagine it having a low status with other Cronenberg fans.

All this Cronenberg talk, and no one mentions The Fly?

I just assume everyone agrees it's a masterpiece (or at least a very good movie).
Not a fan of some of the more gross images, but the movie is fantastic all the same.

There's a phenom artist in La Grande Bellezza (The Great Beauty).

The kid wants to play but the father needs to make tons of money off of a live art performance.

I love that movie! It manages to come off as sort of pretentious while also being very beautiful and very humorous.

Re-watched the 1978 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Dated and hasn't aged very well and there's quite a bit of terrible acting but it's still a very creepy flick. The way they handled the opening - showing how the invasion started was very effective and the special FX are pretty damn good considering they were done 38 years ago.

Although I think the original was better, both are fantastic movies.

It seemed a bit silly, so I never watched it. Maybe that's a mistake.

It might be good or JGuy may have just given it too many points.

You should. I mean, it is an OLD movie. Hell, it was released 2 years before I was born! :yikes:

You can imagine how audiences were freaked by back around that time. And the ending scene in the park is still really creepy as ****.

It's Vincent Price in one of his best roles. You can't give it too many points.