omfg. So the "motives" of bringing "democracy" to other countries of the USA don't lead to pain, and suffering everywhere in the world? The USA does this since 80 ****ing years without a stop.
I am not even justifying the motives, I just said, that the coin has two sides. He did something out of love, that led to pain and death for millions of people.
That's the coin. That's all i'm saying. I'm not justifying. I'm not even taking a side. I'm just saying that coins have two sides....ffs, srsly.

Yeah, I read your whole sh*tty post. Let me explain why I told you to shut the f*ck up....

This is the first thing you said, automatically setting yourself up for an apologizing argument on how Hitler wasn't that bad of a guy. HE WAS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD RIGHT GUYS?

First off, I don't give a sh*t what your motives are. The man was responsible for the mass murder of millions of people. I don't care if he was trying to cure cancer, he led an organization that killed MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Not to mention the fact that he started a world war that killed even more. You go ask Russia what they think of Mr. Hitler. They lost half their f*cking country. Oh, and his methods sucked? Awwwww garsh guys, that really sucked. Yeah, I think the mass murder of an entire population equates more than "Ge, that sucked".

Everybody should be surprised about rooting for a Nazi. Most were evil people, at least the ones in charge were. I can understand the young foot soldiers having to fight for their country for no choice but it seemed for his description of the movie that the Nazi he was rooting for was in full belief of the Third Reich. Your comment came off as "WHY ARE YOU SURPRISED YOU LIKE A NAZI? DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MOTIVES?"

Again, you're turning what happened into poetry. Let me explain something...THERE IS NOTHING GOOD THAT CAME FROM THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST. There is no grey area. It's a period of our existence that should be remember for how much evil existed in the world. You claim you've been to the concentration camps. You obviously learned nothing if you're going to spew that garbage all over this board. I'm disgusted by it actually. You should be ashamed of yourself. I also love the arrogance when you claim I didn't read what you wrote because obviously what you have to say is the "true" vision of what happened. I read your slop and I found it deplorable. Perhaps you should actually respond to me with a counter argument instead of sticking your nose deep into your communist assh*le.

Holy fucking shit. I do not believe you actually went there. Unbelievable.

No one is saying that. Nationalism is ****ty every time.

^ so is racism

The ****e actions of one doesn't justify that of another, and I don't support the spread of democracy nor do I ever see it as anything more than protection of secondary interests. The second side of the coin is hardly worth considering if the first side contains a genocide.

I feel like you read a bit too deep into that statement. They were probably surprised they ended up rooting for the villain in the movie. This tends to happen in horror movies when they make all the kids annoying little twats and you just want to see them killed off because they have no redeeming qualities.

Fixed

Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't know it would lead there


@Exoskeletal: Yeah. It came out wrong, I'm very sorry that you took my arguments as something that justified anything he did. I do not justify hitler. I would have shot him myself, if I had the opportunity. The guy brought pain and death to millions of people, ffs. The only thing I said was that his motives were the love of a country. You just get much more seasoned with this topic, when you learn about it all your life and there is not only this incredibly dark side of the coin. You interpretated me absolutely wrong. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.


+ russia? stalin has a higher death count than hitler.

This was almost a good apology.

Despots be trippin'

I'm justifying my own words against 5 people at the same time here..
Russia is just a bad example. Take Norway, or Belgium, or England, or the Jews..but not Russia

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Uhhhhhh...... I watched Ghostbusters.

Now I might watch The Great Dictator.

Jesus Christ. Stop being so self-righteous and taking someone to task over some random post. Jumping down someone's throat with knee jerk anger has no purpose.

If you're not part of the final solution you're part of the problem.

ffs, that's bloody cruel.
My best friend is russian, and i've discussed a lot with him about this subject.
But these are people who exploit their position of power, and I think that happens all the time, every day, when there is war...I don't know better, because I'd never go to war, as I am a pacifist, so I'll never learn it, but I think this is kind of a "common" situation, when there is war...


thank you @batlord.

I am really sorry, you guys. I didn't want to justify anything.
I'm just ultra objective, and I can't believe, that there are people in the world, that are 100% evil. I love all the people around me, and I don't want to claim that anyone is evil. That's why I think about this in that way. If that means, that I have to say that a maniac like Hitler was actually also a human being, well...then I can't object to that.

I'm the same way. Not that he should get any credit for it, but it's occurred to me just how ironic it is that the Holocaust has probably done more to end anti-Semitism than anything else in history. And who knows how much longer it might have taken for the Civil Rights movement in America to have gained any traction if not for the backlash against racism after the war.

It's easy to look at the situation in terms of black and white, good vs evil terms, but I see it more as a desirable outcome vs undesirable outcome. Nothing, no matter how bad, has effects that are completely undesirable any more than anything that is considered ultimately good has entirely desirable repercussions. Obviously I can't say that I'm glad the Holocaust happened, but it's at least interesting, if not even a bit enlightening, to look at different perspectives, if only for the sake of a mental exercise.

I don't think it helps to develop such a hardline attitude to just thinking about anything like that in a different light than the most obvious, angriest one. It's one dimensional and inhibits free thought.

Guys come on. This is hilarious.

Thank you for getting my point.
I just love to think about anything that ever happened in my life, or about anything I've learned in history class, or through conversation, just to always come to the conclusion, that black & white do simply not exist. Even physics tells us, that the colour white is an illusion, as is the colour black, as they are just the combination of colours, or the lack of colours. I never meant to justify - I meant to think, to scrutinize and to look objectively at the situation, without any judgement or subjection distracting my mind. Everything in this world happens for a reason, and I'm always trying to deduct the backcloth of events. There's a century old German song, which is called "Die Gedanken sind frei" (mind is free), and that's what it is.

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i'm not even gonna touch this conversation.....

and i had no intention of posting the last film i saw....except it is just purrrfect

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Inglorious Basterds

i actually watch this one quite often....but having just finished my book on Operation Paperclip....and since i was hanging out with my 16 year old nephew...who had not seen this....i was in the mood to watch some nazi's get their heads beat in with a baseball bat

i will say this....this film really holds up for entertainment value....that opening scene is still....in my opinion....Tarantino's finest moment...and one i don't think he will ever beat.....every second....from the girls seeing the cars coming up the road....to the girl being shot at as she is running is proof that Tarantino is truly a master eye with the camera

my nephew at the end looked at me and asked how much of it was true....my answer was "well the Nazi's did occupy France and G W Pabst was a great director"

I saw this today and the first thing that bothered me is the title. No blue isn't a warm color it's a cool color but whatever artistic liberty and all that jazz.

The author of the source material doesn't even approve of the sex scenes. They seemed high ridiculous to me as well. It didn't really match with a couple that was truly in love. It wasn't passionate/tender but more like let's fuck like we are in a porno. Other than that I have no problems with the movie.

I wish I had looked to see if this was on Netflix. I ended up paying for it on demand. I didn't mind it but I also did what you did. Half way through the movie I went to wikipedia to read the plot line to figure out parts that I missed. I didn't mind it for what it was but it was definitely a bit disappointing. I wouldn't give as low of a score as you did but the Cameron Diaz scene was worth the time I spent on the movie along with a hitman that comes along later. Won't spoil it for people that still want to see it.

That means the RAT should've lived and the CAPTAIN should've died of COURSE!

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Detective Dee and the Mystery of the Phantom Flame (2010)
I was home from work sick today just watching movies and I have to say this one surprised me by how good it was. Imagine Sherlock Holmes and an albino Watson as 7th century Chinese detectives trying to solve a series of spontaneous human (and bird) combustions in the days leading up to the coronation of China's first empress in a screenplay written by someone who eats a lot of mushrooms and you have pretty good sense of what this movie is like. Not for everyone I'm sure, but I enjoyed it.

It is amazing at how when you watch movies as a kid, you are like that was so great. Then 20 years later you watch it again and are like seriously? I used to think that was cool? LOL

The Town, loved it!

Cheap Thrills. Highly recommend it. Interesting premise that leads to some seriously interesting stuff. Great dark comedy.

I saw The Great Gatsby and loved it. It wasn't required reading in school so I didn't know the story at all. I kind of regret not seeing in it theaters to get the 3-D experience. It was so colorful and full of life. I should have known it would be like that because it's from the same guy that did Moulin Rouge. Also the soundtrack was so great. It was an odd mix of having modern songs clash with the time period but then certain songs they would put a jazz spin on it and it was just a beautiful creation. The music actually was more in the forefront than just being in the background and helped to tell the story as much as the set designs and costumes. They definitely deserved the Oscars that they won for costume design.

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Dark, dark movie. Twisted, awful characters. Great plot. Dug the movie quite a bit. Would recommend if you're in the mood for something evil.

What movie is it? The image isn't showing up.

Ugh, this is frustrating. Twice now? Really?

Movie is called Cheap Thrills.

Ah. I see it now actually.

I really tried with this movie but just couldn't get past the first 30 mins. Reminded me of Casshern in that it looked visually amazing but lacking in focus.

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The Aussies can certainly do low budget revenge thrillers. A father seeks revenge for his daughters death. Superb and realistic.

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Cliched but Jennifer Aniston is ridiculously yummy.

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I don't drive and Formula 1 is watchable but I can take it or leave it. This however was stunning especially as it's based on real events. The acting is superb and I was engrossed from start to finish.

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Prometheus


Just saw Prometheus last night. I'm glad I learned that it wasn't an Alien Alien movie from people on here or I would have been confused throughout the whole movie. So I went into it with a vague expectation of sci fi coolness. Was what I got. If it had a problem it's that it was both a thinking man's sci fi movie and a creature feature at the same time and the two kind of got in the way of each other.





Same here. Was kinda fun in a mindless way, but it made me remember just how much I wanted to rail Jennifer Aniston.