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Paul Smeenus 03-14-2014 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei (Post 1427384)
Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't know it would lead there


@Exoskeletal: Yeah. It came out wrong, I'm very sorry that you took my arguments as something that justified anything he did. I do not justify hitler. I would have shot him myself, if I had the opportunity. The guy brought pain and death to millions of people, ffs. The only thing I said was that his motives were the love of a country. You just get much more seasoned with this topic, when you learn about it all your life and there is not only this incredibly dark side of the coin. You interpretated me absolutely wrong. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.


+ russia? stalin has a higher death count than hitler.



Despots be trippin'

Kartoffelbrei 03-14-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Junkyard Donner (Post 1427387)
This was almost a good apology.

I'm justifying my own words against 5 people at the same time here..
Russia is just a bad example. Take Norway, or Belgium, or England, or the Jews..but not Russia

Paul Smeenus 03-14-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei (Post 1427391)
I'm justifying my own words against 5 people at the same time here..
Russia is just a bad example. Take Norway, or Belgium, or England, or the Jews..but not Russia



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...oners-war.html

BastardofYoung 03-14-2014 11:17 AM

Uhhhhhh...... I watched Ghostbusters.

BastardofYoung 03-14-2014 11:18 AM

Now I might watch The Great Dictator.

The Batlord 03-14-2014 11:20 AM

Jesus Christ. Stop being so self-righteous and taking someone to task over some random post. Jumping down someone's throat with knee jerk anger has no purpose.

WWWP 03-14-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1427400)
Jesus Christ. Stop being so self-righteous and taking someone to task over some random post. Jumping down someone's throat with knee jerk anger has no purpose.

If you're not part of the final solution you're part of the problem.

Exo 03-14-2014 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1427400)
Jesus Christ. Stop being so self-righteous and taking someone to task over some random post. Jumping down someone's throat with knee jerk anger has no purpose.

http://www.bodylovewellness.com/wp-c...e-lebowski.gif

Kartoffelbrei 03-14-2014 11:29 AM

ffs, that's bloody cruel.
My best friend is russian, and i've discussed a lot with him about this subject.
But these are people who exploit their position of power, and I think that happens all the time, every day, when there is war...I don't know better, because I'd never go to war, as I am a pacifist, so I'll never learn it, but I think this is kind of a "common" situation, when there is war...


thank you @batlord.

I am really sorry, you guys. I didn't want to justify anything.
I'm just ultra objective, and I can't believe, that there are people in the world, that are 100% evil. I love all the people around me, and I don't want to claim that anyone is evil. That's why I think about this in that way. If that means, that I have to say that a maniac like Hitler was actually also a human being, well...then I can't object to that.

The Batlord 03-14-2014 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kartoffelbrei (Post 1427406)
thank you @batlord.

I am really sorry, you guys. I didn't want to justify anything.
I'm just ultra objective, and I can't believe, that there are people in the world, that are 100% evil. I love all the people around me, and I don't want to claim that anyone is evil. That's why I think about this in that way. If that means, that I have to say that a maniac like Hitler was actually also a human being, well...then I can't object to that.

I'm the same way. Not that he should get any credit for it, but it's occurred to me just how ironic it is that the Holocaust has probably done more to end anti-Semitism than anything else in history. And who knows how much longer it might have taken for the Civil Rights movement in America to have gained any traction if not for the backlash against racism after the war.

It's easy to look at the situation in terms of black and white, good vs evil terms, but I see it more as a desirable outcome vs undesirable outcome. Nothing, no matter how bad, has effects that are completely undesirable any more than anything that is considered ultimately good has entirely desirable repercussions. Obviously I can't say that I'm glad the Holocaust happened, but it's at least interesting, if not even a bit enlightening, to look at different perspectives, if only for the sake of a mental exercise.

I don't think it helps to develop such a hardline attitude to just thinking about anything like that in a different light than the most obvious, angriest one. It's one dimensional and inhibits free thought.


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