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Old 06-03-2012, 05:53 PM   #11751 (permalink)
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I was planning to see it this afternoon but certain things got in the way today but reviews have been mixed to say the least.

Onto what I have seen:

Performances were superb all round. I haven't seen Tom Hardy put in a bad performance yet and certain scenes with Nick Nolte were heartbreaking but despite the sincerity it's Rocky with whistles on and I would have loved to see much more of the father/son dynamic that was just getting interesting but the film decided to jump straight to the main event as it were. The Wrestler (clearly an inspiration) is far superior.

The subtle humour in this film was well written and the effects were damn good but everything was telegraphed in the first 15 minutes and it all felt a little predictable. Definitely worth a watch but a prequel would be much more interesting regarding the troll's than a film that practically describes the finale in it's opening credits.
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wow....have you seen Alien?.....am i the only person on earth that cares more about what that ship was doing there and what that creature with its chest burst out was?....and i am honestly 100% glad to hear that it has no conclusion....this is exactly what i wanted!!!!.....i was hoping that this film would lead to an obvious sequel would explain what the Alien is.....i cannot wait to see this movie



i saw this a couple weeks ago.....and agree with you 100%....the effects were great and the film as a whole was well worth watching albeit....hmmm hanging on a string of interest....the trolls were awesome though
Trolls were pretty badass. Now I'm sure there are trolls out there.
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Old 06-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #11752 (permalink)
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Fassbender is an incredible actor. He and Tom Hardy are the new Clooney and Pitt.
I would put them far and above both of those actors TBH. Clooney and Pitt have shone but have never been consistent enough for me. If you want to see Fassbender in an early role which could have easily been faxed in seek out Eden Lake which was a low budget British Horror film transformed by the superb performances.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:21 PM   #11753 (permalink)
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The new Pitt? lolwut
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I would put them far and above both of those actors TBH. Clooney and Pitt have shone but have never been consistent enough for me. If you want to see Fassbender in an early role which could have easily been faxed in seek out Eden Lake which was a low budget British Horror film transformed by the superb performances.
I hated the film but yes, they were both very good. Fassbender is at his best during the bar scene in Basterds but also was fantastic in Fish Tank. I haven't seen Shame yet.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:25 PM   #11754 (permalink)
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I hated the film but yes, they were both very good. Fassbender is at his best during the bar scene in Basterds but also was fantastic in Fish Tank. I haven't seen Shame yet.
You should fix this deficiency as soon as possible if you are a fan of Hunger.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:32 PM   #11755 (permalink)
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You should fix this deficiency as soon as possible if you are a fan of Hunger.
I own Hunger. I've seen it a lot. Shame was only playing in the city when it came out and I never got a chance to get in and see it. It's on my queue though. I might just push it to the top.
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:05 AM   #11756 (permalink)
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Shame was excellent. I was enthralled throughout.
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I liked Shame, but I felt like I didn't quite get it. Perhaps I'm a social idiot, but ..

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He seemed like a very functional porn addict to me. He was able to satisfy his porn need. I thought his pain seemed a little disproportionate to his problems with being a sex addict and felt there was something more going on. I thought perhaps his sex addiction was merely a consequence of his obvious intimacy problems. For some reason, he can't let other people in and it seemed to me that sex addiction had developed from that loneliness rather than the other way round. There's also a scene where his sister says they come from the same place, and she's suicidal, so that also led me thinking that both characters have some tragedy in their family background.

Yet the movie never really explores that part of their pain much. It focuses more on the sex addiction which felt superficial to me.

Or what do you think? Was sex addiction his biggest problem?
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I liked Shame, but I felt like I didn't quite get it. Perhaps I'm a social idiot, but ..

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He seemed like a very functional porn addict to me. He was able to satisfy his porn need. I thought his pain seemed a little disproportionate to his problems with being a sex addict and felt there was something more going on. I thought perhaps his sex addiction was merely a consequence of his obvious intimacy problems. For some reason, he can't let other people in and it seemed to me that sex addiction had developed from that loneliness rather than the other way round. There's also a scene where his sister says they come from the same place, and she's suicidal, so that also led me thinking that both characters have some tragedy in their family background.

Yet the movie never really explores that part of their pain much. It focuses more on the sex addiction which felt superficial to me.

Or what do you think? Was sex addiction his biggest problem?
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I agree the sex addiction must have been him acting out some pain that has lingered with him from earlier in his life. I think I prefer that the film kept me guessing about what had scarred him than to explicitly state it (the main reason I was interested throughout other than Fassbender's immense performance).

Also, I loved the relationship of him and his sister. Her being so flighty and him being so withdrawn. If you assume that they are somewhat similar to their parents, maybe the thing that left them hurting was something their mother did as a result of their father's coldness.
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Well I thought of it in terms of his fear of incest. After his encounter with his sister in the shower, in the finds her red scarf and lightly and curiously pushes his bat through it. I saw this as either the fact that they've already committed incest or that it's on his mind--at least subconsciously--from minute one. Also, I think that the siblings were sexually abused as children, since the sister says "We're not bad people, we just come from a bad place." That would explain his sexual addiction, her suicide, and the tension at the notion of incest. McQueen selected these two actors because they were in a relationship in real life, that way, the actors would have a connection that hints to the audience, and the fact that these are sibling roles plays the incest card once more.


Not facts on the film, just my take on it.
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I agree the sex addiction must have been him acting out some pain that has lingered with him from earlier in his life. I think I prefer that the film kept me guessing about what had scarred him than to explicitly state it (the main reason I was interested throughout other than Fassbender's immense performance).

Also, I loved the relationship of him and his sister. Her being so flighty and him being so withdrawn. If you assume that they are somewhat similar to their parents, maybe the thing that left them hurting was something their mother did as a result of their father's coldness.
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Well I thought of it in terms of his fear of incest. After his encounter with his sister in the shower, in the finds her red scarf and lightly and curiously pushes his bat through it. I saw this as either the fact that they've already committed incest or that it's on his mind--at least subconsciously--from minute one. Also, I think that the siblings were sexually abused as children, since the sister says "We're not bad people, we just come from a bad place." That would explain his sexual addiction, her suicide, and the tension at the notion of incest. McQueen selected these two actors because they were in a relationship in real life, that way, the actors would have a connection that hints to the audience, and the fact that these are sibling roles plays the incest card once more.


Not facts on the film, just my take on it.
Some good theories here.

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After thinking about it more, it seems obvious they both share a pain from their past, but they go about it in opposite ways. He has become cold towards people, anti social. Love and normal human contact has in many ways been replaced with easy sex. He copes with the pain by trying to block it out. That's why he doesn't want to have anything to do with his sister. She reminds him of the pain in their past life.

His sister deals with the pain in the opposite way. She feels it and generally tries to cope with it. She has become super-dependent on other people. You can tell by the way she tenaciously keeps calling him and how upset she is with the phone call from her boyfriend. She wants his love and support to help her through the pain and to keep her from committing suicide. He finds her dependence offensive and having her in his life reminds him of the pain he wants to forget.

That's the way I see it. I don't really think they've had an incestuous relationship myself. If I was to guess what the past tragedy was, my guess would be that they somehow lost their parents under tragic circumstances. They never mention any other family and they only seem to have eachother, even when she's in the hospital after trying to kill herself. If they had more close family, it makes sense they would've been notified too, but I got the feeling the director wanted to tell us they were all alone together.
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