The Anime/Manga thread

[Paul Smeenus]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I keep hearing how good it is. I'll have to check it out at some point. But...lazy.

I'm guessing you don't do Fletnix? I watched it the first time here.

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There were one or two episodes that I had to watch on Crunchyroll due to missing captions, and one that suffers from "engrish" (I don't like that term but it's the easiest way to explain it) but that's out of 25 first season episodes. Animewaffles is a way better site (fewer popups and interruptions) than Crunchyroll but you'll have to watch a couple episodes there. Unless you Fletnix.

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus

I'm guessing you don't do Fletnix? I watched it the first time here.

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There were one or two episodes that I had to watch on Crunchyroll due to missing captions, and one that suffers from "engrish" (I don't like that term but it's the easiest way to explain it) but that's out of 25 first season episodes. Animewaffles is a way better site (fewer popups and interruptions) than Crunchyroll but you'll have to watch a couple episodes there. Unless you Fletnix.

Dude, I'm surprised I have electricity.

[Black Francis]

@Batlord

Smart bringing the discussion here.

i would agree anime has gotten pretty formulaic but even within that formula they tend to be more diverse about the topics they bring up than american cartoons.

And if we're gonna talk about anime we have to bring up the difference in the culture standards and their boundaries and also how each culture views animation, in America animation is viewed that is mostly for kids so they stray away from mature content and only allow it in the form of a satire in shows like family guy or southpark

In japan however animation has become an outlet to express anything.

This means they can throw a little bit of ecchi into any series with the inoffensive ecchi tag.

If you like anime Batlord, go checkout ikkitousen.

You can stream it in any anime site along with Naruto cause it's perfectly normal to anime viewers yet Naruto and ikkitousen are worlds apart, ikkitousen is ecchi as a f*ck and no one makes a big deal out of it, it's mainly considered a fighting anime

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Black Francis

@Batlord

Smart bringing the discussion here.

i would agree anime has gotten pretty formulaic but even within that formula they tend to be more diverse about the topics they bring up than american cartoons.

Well that's not saying much. Around here if it's not a superhero cartoon then it's a kid's show or possibly Adult Swim. And even then it's just gonna be a goofy comedy.

And if we're gonna talk about anime we have to bring up the difference in the culture standards and their boundaries and also how each culture views animation, in America animation is viewed that is mostly for kids so they stray away from mature content and only allow it in the form of a satire in shows like family guy or southpark

I think this is kind of an illusion. Kind of. True, animation is much more culturally accepted than in America, but most shows are still for kids. And then a smaller but still sizable amount is for young adults, like Naruto. After that the pickings are far smaller. It may not be the same as in America, but if you're in your twenties and still an anime nerd then you are considered to some extent a loser just like with sci fi or fantasy. "Otaku" is sort of a badge of pride over here, but in Japan it's an insult, like "nerd" or "geek".

[Dylstew]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

This is a response to a post in another thread that I'm trying not to derail.




But that's not really about boundaries, that's about different cultural standards. Most anime is still pretty formulaic and tired. I used to love anime, but these days I can only care about a very small amount of it. I mean how many times can I see the next Pokemon(anime)/Yu-Gi-Oh/Naruto/One Piece/etc/etc/etc clone and still be bothered with them? They might have more quasi-nudity and fan service in anime, but it tends to all conform to the same tropes, just like everything else in the majority of anime.

And I think a lot of the Western obsession comes from the fact that we probably don't see the hordes of duds that get buried in cancellation just like the hordes of terrible cop shows that get cancelled after a season over here. If all people had to go on were Lost, Heroes, Buffy...I'm having trouble thinking of any more, etc then they might actually think that American network television was absolutely fantastic. So really, the majority of anime is probably even more crap than any of us realize.

I started watching shonen anime when I was about 11. you know , the series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Dragon Ball(z/kai/whatever iteration) Etc. Than when I think late 15, I stopped caring about anime. 11-15, coincidentally, is the target audience for that genre. Just because it has blood, mild swearing(ususally just the least formal form of a normal japanese word) and fanservice, but if I look back at it, it really does look like it's targeted towards young teenagers. In fact, the things I mentioned, just draws in more teenagers. Back than seeing blood in a cartoon was ''cool'' to me. I don't think you should base your entire opinion on anime on just that genre. I thought I grew out of anime as a whole and disliked it now, but right now I'm thinking about the fact that I've been watching the same genre. A genre exactly in my target audience. I should try out some other anime.

edit: uuhm, I think I quoted the wrong post xD.

[Paul Smeenus]

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Dylstew

I started watching shonen anime when I was about 11. you know , the series like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Dragon Ball(z/kai/whatever iteration) Etc. Than when I think late 15, I stopped caring about anime. 11-15, coincidentally, is the target audience for that genre. Just because it has blood, mild swearing(ususally just the least formal form of a normal japanese word) and fanservice, but if I look back at it, it really does look like it's targeted towards young teenagers. In fact, the things I mentioned, just draws in more teenagers. Back than seeing blood in a cartoon was ''cool'' to me. I don't think you should base your entire opinion on anime on just that genre. I thought I grew out of anime as a whole and disliked it now, but right now I'm thinking about the fact that I've been watching the same genre. A genre exactly in my target audience. I should try out some other anime.

edit: uuhm, I think I quoted the wrong post xD.

There's still good stuff out there. Seinen anime is the term for more adult anime. Some of the few that I still dig are Bereserk (the manga is superior to the anime, if only because it's far longer), Hellsing (watch the Ultimate OVAs or read the manga cause the original TV series is vastly inferior), and Evangelion. I'm sure I don't need to tell you about Eva, but it deserves mention. Black Lagoon is another good one. Cheesy as hell, and it uses a lot of the usual kinds of tropes, but it always does so in an entertaining, not-so-embarrassing way. Mushishi was another good one I've not watched entirely. Weird and trippy, but awesome. And if you're in for some misanthropic, nihilistic stuff then Elfen Lied is another one. Violent as all hell. The acting in both the sub and the dub are kind of terrible, but if you can overlook that then it's still sweet.

[Black Francis]

@Batlord

I think you are just focusing on the big crossovers anime and are trying to encapsulate that all animes are similar to those ones, the big crossover anime tend to be shounen anime as Dylstew listed but there are many obscure ones that are very different, in some anime the characters don't fight with superpowers and some anime are the same **** as walking dead or vampire diaries or any Human show without the US censorship and without the limitation of dealing with actors, cause it's animation! no need for CGI to make a character fly or wthvr.

i don't understand what makes a medium more mature than another medium when they put out the same content,

for exmpl, take the anime Full metal alchemist.
if they made that into a human show ppl would love it and wouldn't call it immature.
But if it was a book before it was a show ppl would think the book is more mature.

this unspoken hierarchy of credibility is bull**** if the content is the same and remains unedited.

[Paul Smeenus]

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Some of the few that I still dig are Bereserk (the manga is superior to the manga, if only because it's far longer)

Department of redundancy department

[The Batlord]

Originally Posted by Black Francis

@Batlord

I think you are just focusing on the big crossovers anime and are trying to encapsulate that all animes are similar to those ones, the big crossover anime tend to be shounen anime as Dylstew listed but there are many obscure ones that are very different, in some anime the characters don't fight with superpowers and some anime are the same **** as walking dead or vampire diaries or any Human show without the US censorship and without the limitation of dealing with actors, cause it's animation! no need for CGI to make a character fly or wthvr.

i don't understand what makes a medium more mature than another medium when they put out the same content,

for exmpl, take the anime Full metal alchemist.
if they made that into a human show ppl would love it and wouldn't call it immature.
But if it was a book before it was a show ppl would think the book is more mature.

this unspoken hierarchy of credibility is bull**** if the content is the same and remains unedited.

No I'm focusing on the majority of anime. Most of it is just as formulaic as any kind of pop culture entertainment created by corporations. Sure there are good obscure ones, and I still like looking for them, but I'm getting lazier and lazier as I run out of options.