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Old 10-12-2005, 03:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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buck fush. like kanye west said, "bush doesn't like black people" and no i do not support the war.why will he try to help another country when his own country has problems. i'm not just talking about hurricane problems, i'm talking about gang violence, better school system, homeless, health plans, gas prices, and more
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Old 10-12-2005, 07:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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buck fush. like kanye west said, "bush doesn't like black people" and no i do not support the war.why will he try to help another country when his own country has problems. i'm not just talking about hurricane problems, i'm talking about gang violence, better school system, homeless, health plans, gas prices, and more
No offense, but if you are gonna use a quote to criticize Bush, or really any politician for that matter, and you use Kanye West......
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Old 10-12-2005, 09:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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No offense, but if you are gonna use a quote to criticize Bush, or really any politician for that matter, and you use Kanye West......
All what was said was: As Kanye West said.....
Yet this is a good example for media control. When Kayne West said what he said - and it was not to the liking of some people -the broadcast was quickly switched.
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All what was said was: As Kanye West said.....
Yet this is a good example for media control. When Kayne West said what he said - and it was not to the liking of some people -the broadcast was quickly switched.
What broadcast? What are you referring to?
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What broadcast? What are you referring to?
Here is one of many recaps:

Kanye West's Torrent of Criticism, Live on NBC

By Lisa de Moraes

Saturday, September 3, 2005; Page C01

Why We Love Live Television, Reason No. 137:

NBC's levee broke and Kanye West flooded through with a tear about the federal response in New Orleans during the network's live concert fundraiser for victims of Hurricane Katrina last night.


Singer Kanye West arrives on the white carpet of the 2005 MTV Video Music Awards Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005. (AP) (Jeff Christensen - AP)

The rapper was among the celebs and singers participating in the one-hour special, produced by NBC News and run on the NBC broadcast network, as well as MSNBC and CNBC, because, hey, the numbers couldn't be any worse than usual on a Friday night and hopefully they'd raise a chunk of change for a good cause, the American Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund.

Among the performers, Faith Hill sang "There Will Come a Time," which included the lyrics, "The darkness will be gone, the weak shall be strong. Hold on to your faith." Aaron Neville performed Randy Newman's "Louisiana 1927" with its chorus: "They're trying to wash us away, they're trying to wash us away."

West was not scheduled to perform; he was one of the blah, blah, blahers, who would read from scripts prepared by the network about the impact of Katrina on southern Louisiana and Mississippi.

West and Mike Myers had been paired up to appear about halfway through the show. Their assignment: Take turns reading a script describing the breach in the levees around New Orleans.

Myers: The landscape of the city has changed dramatically, tragically and perhaps irreversibly. There is now over 25 feet of water where there was once city streets and thriving neighborhoods.

(Myers throws to West, who looked extremely nervous in his super-preppy designer rugby shirt and white pants, which is not like the arrogant West and which, in retrospect, should have been a tip-off.)

West: I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family, it says, "They're looting." You see a white family, it says, "They're looking for food." And, you know, it's been five days [waiting for federal help] because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there. So anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help -- with the way America is set up to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off, as slow as possible. I mean, the Red Cross is doing everything they can. We already realize a lot of people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way -- and they've given them permission to go down and shoot us!

(West throws back to Myers, who is looking like a guy who stopped on the tarmac to tie his shoe and got hit in the back with the 8:30 to La Guardia.)

Myers: And subtle, but in many ways even more profoundly devastating, is the lasting damage to the survivors' will to rebuild and remain in the area. The destruction of the spirit of the people of southern Louisiana and Mississippi may end up being the most tragic loss of all.

(And, because Myers is apparently as dumb as his Alfalfa hair, he throws it back to West.)

West: George Bush doesn't care about black people!

(Back to Myers, now looking like the 8:30 to La Guardia turned around and caught him square between the eyes.)

Myers: Please call . . .

At which point someone at NBC News finally regained control of the joystick and cut over to Chris Tucker, who started right in with more scripted blah, blah, blah.

"Tonight's telecast was a live television event wrought with emotion," parent company NBC Universal said in a statement issued to the Reporters Who Cover Television after the broadcast.

"Kanye West departed from the scripted comments that were prepared for him, and his opinions in no way represent the views of the networks. It would be most unfortunate if the efforts of the artists who participated tonight and the generosity of millions of Americans who are helping those in need are overshadowed by one person's opinion."

West's comments would be cut from the West Coast feed, an NBC spokeswoman told The TV Column. (The Associated Press later reported that only his comment about the president was edited out.) The show was live on the East Coast with a several-second delay; someone with his finger on a button was keeping an ear peeled in case someone uttered an obscenity but did not realize that West had gone off-script, the spokeswoman said.
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All what was said was: As Kanye West said.....
Yet this is a good example for media control. When Kayne West said what he said - and it was not to the liking of some people -the broadcast was quickly switched.
Media control? He was there for a fundraiser in raising money for the victims of Katrina. Going off script on the fundraiser to say "Bush doesn't care about Black people" isn't going to really bring in the funds now is it? You say that's media control? Bringing people in to read a script and they go off topic so you pull their ass of the air?

And to my opinion on the thing, I believe that Kanye West knows little to nothing about politics. I bet he didn't vote in the last election. Sure he had guts to come up and say something like that knowing some of the **** he could get for it, but it was also gutless hurting the company he was brought in for.

But all in all, that look on Myer's face is classic.
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And to my opinion on the thing, I believe that Kanye West knows little to nothing about politics. I bet he didn't vote in the last election. Sure he had guts to come up and say something like that knowing some of the **** he could get for it, but it was also gutless hurting the company he was brought in for.
Well it doesn't sound like he cares too much for the national media anyway, so I'm not sure how gutless it is to hurt a large establishment which you dislike, especially if you are contributing a large amount of money to the cause which it was supporting.

'West: I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family, it says, "They're looting." You see a white family, it says, "They're looking for food." '

They did that with their coverage of the disaster on the UK TV too. I've never heard the word 'looting' used so much before, like they literally do save it up for black people (and Iraqis), while white people truly are described as are 'searching for supplies'. Supplies which don't belong to them - the little thieves!!

Whatever lack of political know-how he may have (comparably to the president maybe) his comments were actually incisive, however shocking the context was.
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Media control? He was there for a fundraiser in raising money for the victims of Katrina. Going off script on the fundraiser to say "Bush doesn't care about Black people" isn't going to really bring in the funds now is it? You say that's media control? Bringing people in to read a script and they go off topic so you pull their ass of the air?

And to my opinion on the thing, I believe that Kanye West knows little to nothing about politics. I bet he didn't vote in the last election. Sure he had guts to come up and say something like that knowing some of the **** he could get for it, but it was also gutless hurting the company he was brought in for.

But all in all, that look on Myer's face is classic.
I'll bet you, if he would have gone off script and said that Bush is great and does everything possible there can be done we would never have heard about that he went off script.
When TV stations ask people on the street for their opinion on anything - for me it would be interesting to know how many people they asked, who said what and which interviews were broadcasted in the end. If done this way - then you and me would have really an idea what these people said.

As for Kayne West - don't know the man, so I can not have an opinion on what he knows or what he doesn't - neither if he voted or not.

As for bringing in funds when saying one's opinion or not - for me this does not matter. If I realize that we (all human beings) are all connected - then I do not need a Kayne West or anyone else to convince me to give what I can, in order to help my brother and sister.

So yes - I call it control, if I can not say what I want to say.
What happened to freedom of speech?
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I'll bet you, if he would have gone off script and said that Bush is great and does everything possible there can be done we would never have heard about that he went off script.
When TV stations ask people on the street for their opinion on anything - for me it would be interesting to know how many people they asked, who said what and which interviews were broadcasted in the end. If done this way - then you and me would have really an idea what these people said.

As for Kayne West - don't know the man, so I can not have an opinion on what he knows or what he doesn't - neither if he voted or not.

As for bringing in funds when saying one's opinion or not - for me this does not matter. If I realize that we (all human beings) are all connected - then I do not need a Kayne West or anyone else to convince me to give what I can, in order to help my brother and sister.

So yes - I call it control, if I can not say what I want to say.
What happened to freedom of speech?
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So yes - I call it control, if I can not say what I want to say.
What happened to freedom of speech?
It didn't look like, in this case, anybody stopped him from actually saying what he wanted to say. Even after the broadcast was cut, he would still have been free to carry on talking about what he wanted. What they did do was control the medium by which he was able to relay what he was saying to miillions of people.

I'm not sure how this relates to different people's concepts of Freedom of Speech. I've actually already experienced 'Media Control' of a much less significant form when I performed a song at university. There was some swearing in the chorus of my song and the sound engineer kept cutting out the vocal mic on the lines where he knew the swearing was going to be. This was in a PUB remember, at university, where by law everybody actually had to be over 18 and he thought they shouldn't hear swearing!
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