Support War? Support Bush? (country, Kayne West, member, mic, cover) - Music Banter Music Banter

Go Back   Music Banter > Community Center > The Lounge
Register Blogging Today's Posts
Welcome to Music Banter Forum! Make sure to register - it's free and very quick! You have to register before you can post and participate in our discussions with over 70,000 other registered members. After you create your free account, you will be able to customize many options, you will have the full access to over 1,100,000 posts.

View Poll Results: DO YOU SUPPORT BUSH AND THE WAR?
I DO SUPPORT BUSH AND THE WAR. 4 9.30%
I DO NOT SUPPORT BUSH AND THE WAR 39 90.70%
Voters: 43. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-15-2005, 09:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
lolocaust
 
one_more_atrocity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: birmingham, uk
Posts: 354
Default

bush has the intellect of a fish and a dumb one at that!! and he smells of poo poo!!!
one_more_atrocity is offline  
Old 10-17-2005, 04:08 AM   #2 (permalink)
They call me Tundra Boy
 
DontRunMeOver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In your linen cupboard.
Posts: 1,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by one_more_atrocity
bush has the intellect of a fish and a dumb one at that!! and he smells of poo poo!!!
You have an excellent point.
DontRunMeOver is offline  
Old 10-17-2005, 03:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 1,738
Default

Assuming, as you say, that they are giving us the half-truth. What would you do with the full-truth? Are you saying that all Americans are collectively ignorant on politics and current events because of the information our media and government is holding back? Some information has to be held back; that is the nature of central intelligence. And, media has always selectively presented their news; that is the nature of journalism.
In this case, you're being "inconvenienced" by the media presenting an edited version of a extremist political statement made by a Hollywood entertainer. It's a nonpolitical fundraiser, not a forum for people to promote their extremist politics. It was appropriately edited, because it politicized a nonpolitical event. Think of it as a fortunate thing that entertainers at least have the opportunities to make bold political statemnents. Think of it as a pathetic thing that Americans actually care and are eating it up.

DRMO- I also wouldn't give too much credit to GWB for constructing these "outrageous lies" you speak of. His writing team does more face-saving and exaggeration than lying (nothing that is unique to just this adminstration). Bush merely stumbles through what his staff is telling him to say. Just out of curiosity, how do you know that his speeches are full of lies? Are you in Homeland Security? FBI? CIA? Armed Forces? I think you are telling me the half-truth. From what I can see, his team doesn't even give him much opportunities for him to lie or even tell the truth about policy specifics.

Btw, anyone see the theatrical, rehearsed video Q & A between Bush and the troops? Terrible.
__________________
hookers with machineguns is offline  
Old 10-18-2005, 02:49 PM   #4 (permalink)
Pat
Groupie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The World
Posts: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns
Assuming, as you say, that they are giving us the half-truth. What would you do with the full-truth? Are you saying that all Americans are collectively ignorant on politics and current events because of the information our media and government is holding back? Some information has to be held back; that is the nature of central intelligence. And, media has always selectively presented their news; that is the nature of journalism.
In this case, you're being "inconvenienced" by the media presenting an edited version of a extremist political statement made by a Hollywood entertainer. It's a nonpolitical fundraiser, not a forum for people to promote their extremist politics. It was appropriately edited, because it politicized a nonpolitical event. Think of it as a fortunate thing that entertainers at least have the opportunities to make bold political statemnents. Think of it as a pathetic thing that Americans actually care and are eating it up.

.
What I would do with the full truth ?
Are you serious with this question? I would have the possibility and all necessary information to make a concious decision.
In an earlier post there is the expample about the information regarding Iraks weapons of mass distruction - and the fairy tale that they can see by satellite that a truck came and the weapons were moved to another location - but they don't know where they were moved to. Do you remember these news?
There are so many satellites up there - there is not even space for new ones. And we will not be told, that they can see all very detailed - so nobody can tell me, that they "did not know where the weapons were taken to". Always assume that there were weapons of mass distruction. So if I have to base my decision regarding who I vote for or what I can and will support or not on the stories I am being told - the full truth would be defenitely better. Don't you agree?

It's like you have an employee which accuses another of wrong doing. What makes a good and fair boss ? The one who listens to one and makes a decision based on one story of one person, or the one who will hear both sides of the story and try to come as close to the truth as possible and then make a decision ?

I am not saying that anyone is collectively anything. It is strange to me that you are the second person here, which has as location USA and feels personally attacked. When I talk about media and governments I do not exclude any government or any media.
No country, race, nationality - or any group has a monopoly on either inteligence or stupidity, on being good people or being bad people.
We are all that - human beings and the planet earth should be ours to live. I have travelled too much and worked all over the world with up to 52 different nationalities in the same place, working together in peace - to believe in seperation by borders, colour, religion, gender etc.

Yes media has always done this - being controlled what to say and how to say it - to get people to believe what they are fed. So you can control everyone. (But it must be true and like this - because it was in the news)
If it is not in the mainstream news - well it probably is not true. This is the idea of most people, which is simply scary.

I have not been inconvenienced - i have not been told the truth. As simple as that. Kayne West has a right to his opinion, I would like to hear it and then think about it and come to my own conclusion.
But I don't want to be told what to think or believe.

I'll throw something else at you: If I tell you, that there was a plane crash, there was a lot of fuel in the tanks and the plane exploded. Due to the heat generated all was burned, passenger can not be identified by remains and also the blackbox was burned into ashes, which is designed to withstand extreme heat. But - one piece of paper did not burn and was found some meters away from the wreck - or what was left of it.
You tell me, do you believe me?
__________________
Distance to love is like wind to fire.
It extinguishes the small and enhances the big.
Pat is offline  
Old 10-19-2005, 09:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
They call me Tundra Boy
 
DontRunMeOver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In your linen cupboard.
Posts: 1,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns
DRMO- I also wouldn't give too much credit to GWB for constructing these "outrageous lies" you speak of. His writing team does more face-saving and exaggeration than lying (nothing that is unique to just this adminstration). Bush merely stumbles through what his staff is telling him to say. Just out of curiosity, how do you know that his speeches are full of lies? Are you in Homeland Security? FBI? CIA? Armed Forces? I think you are telling me the half-truth. From what I can see, his team doesn't even give him much opportunities for him to lie or even tell the truth about policy specifics.
Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.
DontRunMeOver is offline  
Old 10-19-2005, 10:39 AM   #6 (permalink)
Pat
Groupie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The World
Posts: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver
Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.
You are right, this is a nice and eye-opening thing to do. Just to compare CNN US and CNN Europe - is like watching 2 complete different stations.
__________________
Distance to love is like wind to fire.
It extinguishes the small and enhances the big.
Pat is offline  
Old 10-19-2005, 07:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
Muck Fusic
 
IamAlejo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Virginia Beach
Posts: 1,575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver
Of course I'm not in any of those organisations! I live in Birmingham, UK! Did you think this was one of the states?

I don't know how much access you have to non-US media, but I'd recommend watching US-news and news from elsewhere back to back. The inconsistencies are sometimes quite incredible. Particularly, watching George Bush's speeches and then news from another country covering the same topic. Its like they were talking about completely different things.
So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.
__________________
a man, a plan, a canal, panama
IamAlejo is offline  
Old 10-20-2005, 04:05 AM   #8 (permalink)
Slavic gay sauce
 
adidasss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 7,945
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IamAlejo
So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.
cept for croatian media...
__________________
“Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.” - Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle.

Last.fm
adidasss is offline  
Old 10-20-2005, 05:03 AM   #9 (permalink)
Pat
Groupie
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: The World
Posts: 1
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IamAlejo
So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"? All media is biased in some sorts.
I did not read the comment like this.
And I am certainly not saying that only US media is telling half-truth and the other media is not. I unclude all media in that - around the world. (Besides that there are only so many (actually only a few) news agencies (mostly Reuters).
The suggestion to watch outside US news, if available to you, is just for you (or anyone) to see the difference in delivery and views.
News in other places in the world are not presented as dramatic as in the US, and not repeated as much (with the same pictures over and over and over, to hammer it into ones head).
US news often put fear into people, which I think is nothing but controll and a certain way of thinking. Fear your neighbour, fear the one you don't know, fear the hurricane, fear certain religions.........
I am not talking about going through life with open eyes - I am talking about fear.
__________________
Distance to love is like wind to fire.
It extinguishes the small and enhances the big.
Pat is offline  
Old 10-20-2005, 05:04 AM   #10 (permalink)
They call me Tundra Boy
 
DontRunMeOver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: In your linen cupboard.
Posts: 1,157
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by IamAlejo
So are you saying that US media is biased while all other media stations say the "complete truth"?
No. I'm not saying that. Why? Did you want to change my completely valid point into a ridiculous one so that you could argue against it more easily?
DontRunMeOver is offline  
Closed Thread


Similar Threads



© 2003-2025 Advameg, Inc.