TheBig3

Mod or not, thats savagely arrogant and unneeded, just debate. I'll throw down the gauntlet right now, I'd wager I know more about politics than you (american at least) and the fact that you gloss over huge issues is disgusting.

For one thing "Apologry/reponsibility" is widely regarded as a political sidestep. Political advisors know that once you take "reponsibility" you're basically absolved from the majority of the crime. The public can't ask you to do more than that when relief efforts have obviously already started and you certainly can't go back in time. Reagan did it, Cheaney did it. Its a move, its not genuine.

I'll also say here your either an intentionally-blind zealot, or you just ignore the facts. Nothing about this president is republican, he has been big government all across the board, using the strong arm of the executive branch to impose his own views, which is decidedly against the republican platform which usually calls for small fedaeral government and states rights.

I've watched countless Bush speeches, and because one night I missed it (probably working) and I don't have TiVo, you're going to say I don't know politics. I say you don't know everything from watching one speech.

First of all, don't laugh at what i've said, its a question that was raised to the Louisiana Senator on Lou Dobbs's show (so you can find the broadcast if you find it hard to believe) but then again, you probably saw it, being so involved in politics like you are. And I never said he wasn't going to create programs, I said he repealed a law that required them to be paid the wage they would have recieved normally which is already small on a national level.

Don't skim my responce and then arrogantly chuckle that im an idiot. Read the damn thing, do your research and I think you'll be hard pressed to refute me with actual fact.

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well fuck you too, you fucking hypocrite, the man has done nothing but defend bush in all his previous posts, you're damn right i'm gonna assume he's a Bush supporter, and if you're gonna call my Social distortion post incredibly dumb i would kindly ask you to elaborate further on that, i was expression my opinion and impression of their music, if you disagree, well too fucking bad, it's MY goddamn opinion!!

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IamAlejo

Taking the responsibility for something you are blamed for is often so, but when the overwhelming majority of people interviewed were blaming the Mayor of New Orleans for all the problems, when the President went out of his way to take blame when it was not needed was pretty big, regardless of whether you think it was a "political tool".

Eh, the President has been strongarming with the Executive branch? On what issue other than the war? And more Republican President's, and all President's for that matter, have had less and less with state's rights. When each President (yes, every one) is basically being elected because of promisd tax cuts to "the middle class", these tax cuts are being made, and the Federal Government is just giving less and less money to the states.

And can I ask when that question was asked on that show? Was it before or after the new Presidential speech? Because the proposed works progress program is going to be throwing 100's of billions of dollars towards the Gulf Coast region. And did he veto the law or repeal it? Cause I've never known a President to repeal any law.

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IamAlejo

And in all of your posts you've done nothing but bash Bush. So I'm gonna assume that you go to parades and chant "F Bush, F Bush"? No. I'm not.

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^my pm doesnt work and your a mod (i cant pm anyone anymore) so can you look into that please

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i would if there were any...you would be right to assume that, if i wasn't so lazy.....

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Well for one thing, Maybe the people in LA are saying it was the mayors fault, and I don't absolve him from blame, but when you are the president of the united states, and you visit Florida right after all 4 hurricanes during an election year, and then wait 3 days before you visit one in LA because you're on vacation and you don't want it interupted. Theres no other word for that than assanine. Considering he's nearing the most vacation time ever taken by a president (and he has 3 years left)

Everyone else in the country was crucifying him for his lack of action, its gross and it shouldn't be done. From what I understand, bodies are being left out to rot, people are dying of starvation, and families that are rescued are being relocated to diffrent places, so families don't know if their children are alive or dead.

Again negligent on behalf of everyone involved. And when you appoint Micheal Browning as head of FEMA, you are to blame for his failure, when you knew he was unqualified.

As to which issues is he strong arming? Again I'll hold you as intentionally blind. Terri Shivo, ***-Marrige Amendment, Abortion; these are all issues that should be states rights, and they continually do what they want, not what the people of a state want. And presidents can repeal laws, Keyoto accord, tons of enviornmental laws have been repealed. I suppose you wouldn't notice if you like what he's doing.

And by the way, except for maybe Virgina and Texas, most red states can't support themselves, they don't make enough money, I live in MA, who gives (in ratio) a dollar to the fed and we get back like 73 cents, where as Kentucky gives a buck and gets 1.50 back. Most red states feel the money goes to welfare recipeants, and its just not the case. But Tax cuts are not a selling issue with presidents. And the middle has seen (comparitivly) no tax cuts in the last 5 years.

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IamAlejo

Your box is full. Delete the pm's you've recieved and sent then try again.

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Tax cuts are a huge and large selling issue with Presidents and have been for quite some time. And again, it's not the cut they receive, but what is promised (often aimed at the middle class because that is the major majority).

Many issues are state's rights, but when you receive a large sum of money from the Federal Government then the Feds often do have a great deal in the state's rights. It's the state's rights to give out a drinking age, but you wanna know how that got through? It's the state's rights to have segregated schools, but we don't see any. You say he has been Democratic in the way he uses the strong arm of the executive branch to force his views, but then all the views you point out are ones where he supports the Conservative point of view (*** marriage, abortion).

Many people in the media were crucifying the President for lack of action, but I would respect the opinion of the people who were there more than the random people on the news. And I don't get your comparision of the hurricanes in Florida to the ones of New Orleans. They aren't comparable really. I doubt his reason for not going so quickly was "he didn't want to be interrupted".

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TheBig3

Normally I'd agree with you, but since voters tended to make decisions based on nothing they were involved in. Let me clarify. It's become comical how all red staters hate *** Marrige and Terrorism yet neither really effects their state.

Same here, maybe those people, who havn't seen papers, televisions, or much of anything since the damn thing hit probably wouldn't notice how slow footed the responce would be.

Why do you think he was so slow getting there? Because Karl Rove hadn't told him to show up yet? Because he was pushing medicare issues in Arizona, or because he was on good Morning America.

He's said things that are inherently stupid. That Micheal Browning was doing a good job, that no one thought the levee's would break.

The hurricanes are comprable. he went to Florida for votes, and now he's lame duck, he doesn't care, and the race issue is a huge case, because its hard to ignore the large minority population in New Orleans and then in FL where he visited so often, has a majority of the majority.

Seeing as I can't go back and read the other points you made without erasing the above, Ill leave it at this for now.

The bottom line is, I don't think he's doing such a great job when it comes to anything, even on the things I think were right. That speech, could have been the Gettysberg Address, it doesn't remove the years of neglect.

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